jamo1599
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September 17th, 2011 at 10:35:50 PM permalink
Is a single deck game better shuffled or more random than a shoe game?
FleaStiff
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September 18th, 2011 at 1:56:11 AM permalink
Single Deck games are probably so coveted that they are at least thought to be better, but where these days are you going to find a Single deck game and if you do find it there is going to be a floor man watching over it and watching over you real close.
buzzpaff
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September 18th, 2011 at 8:24:01 AM permalink
Quote: jamo1599

Is a single deck game better shuffled or more random than a shoe game?



It is less random. Removing a small number of cards from a single deck has a far greater effect on the composition of a single deck
than multi-decks. There is a word for players who profit by this, but if I use that word, a grouchy old man has some sort of detector
that will alert him. And he will post what a shameful person you are for trying to take a casino's money.
heather
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September 18th, 2011 at 8:35:38 AM permalink
I've always been a little confused by the popularity of single-deck games. There is still a cut card, correct? And the cards beyond it are never dealt? So you're guaranteed that there are cards that won't be played. It could include all the tens and you'd be sitting down at a Spanish 21 table without even realizing it.

Since counters are frequently bragging about how the number of decks in the game does not affect their ability to count, what's the appeal of single-deck games? I really don't know; I don't often play Blackjack.
MathExtremist
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September 18th, 2011 at 8:41:35 AM permalink
Since a single card in a single-deck game is a much greater percentage of the remaining deck -- 1/52 vs. 1/(52*N) -- each card out has a much greater impact on the true count than in a shoe game. As a result, the TC swings between hands are much larger, giving a counter a greater likelihood of seeing a significantly positive hand. That doesn't happen as often on a shoe game.

While the number of decks doesn't impact a good counter's ability to count, it definitely impacts the counts that they see, and with what frequency.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
buzzpaff
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September 18th, 2011 at 8:46:32 AM permalink
Counters who say they do there is no difference are full of it. This was the strategy counters used decades ago to persuade AC casinos to stick with single deck games versus the introduction of shoe games. Let's not worry about the cut card for a moment. I sit down a play a single deck game and see a lot of little cards on the first round. That means there are many 10's left in the deck.
If there are 7 and 5/6 decks left, the effect is not as great. Whether the cards are behind the cut card this particular time or not does not enter into the equation.

Once upon a time in a land far far away a frustrated old man ( No , not Dan Lubin) came up with the idea of shuffling 6 decks, then taking one deck out of that shoes and dealing a Single deck game, Worse yet, the peasants believed they were playing single deck.
After taking all their money the BJ dealer traded his magic beans for their cow, But that's another story.
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