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February 24th, 2011 at 8:29:41 AM permalink
Hello guinea pigs. Here is a preview of my new page on Panamanian blackjack. Before I make this live on the Odds site I welcome any corrections, questions, and comments.

Thanks.
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February 24th, 2011 at 8:35:14 AM permalink
What does R denote in the table?
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
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February 24th, 2011 at 8:36:36 AM permalink
Quote: WizardofEngland

What does R denote in the table?



I'm assuming surrender
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February 24th, 2011 at 10:21:43 AM permalink
Quote: WizardofEngland

What does R denote in the table?



Good catch. It stands for surrender.
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February 24th, 2011 at 10:45:05 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Here is a preview of my new page on Panamanian blackjack. I welcome any corrections, questions, and comments.


I don' t know what audience you think you might have for this page. Certainly those who are actually in Panama or frequently travel there would be very interested but someone who plays blackjack in Las Vegas and just lands upon the page by pure happenstance might be interested in a quick summary of the Strategy Adjustments that are required rather than having to look at the chart and figure out what, if any, differences there might be.

I think also that you might want to make a quick comment on any stylistic differences between Vegas and Panama City. Speed of dealing, size of table, number of players, etc. Also ofcourse a statement as to deck differences or a general statement that the same deck is used as in Vegas: 52 cards, no jokers.

Some of your readers may never get beyond that first part of the page, some may indeed be in Panama at the time and will carefully study the entire page but I think you might want to start out with a brief comment of the differences.
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February 24th, 2011 at 11:08:14 AM permalink
I think for most computers and most browsers, its best if you load text first and then have any graphics such as charts and photographs in the second post or separately defined html area, so that it sizes properly upon loading.
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February 24th, 2011 at 11:12:27 AM permalink
It looks like you have an error in the strategy table on the WoO page you linked to; it says to double certain soft totals only if it's made up of 3 cards, but from the rules you gave 3-card doubles are allowed only if the hand totals 9-11 (2-card doubles appear to be allowed on any hand total though).
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February 24th, 2011 at 11:19:44 AM permalink
Quote: Kellynbnf

It looks like you have an error in the strategy table on the WoO page you linked to; it says to double certain soft totals only if it's made up of 3 cards, but from the rules you gave 3-card doubles are allowed only if the hand totals 9-11 (2-card doubles appear to be allowed on any hand total though).



I noticed that as well. The option "D3" shouldn't be possible for Soft 13 - 15 according to the listed rules.
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February 24th, 2011 at 11:43:09 AM permalink
So "D" means double on 2 or 3 cards, but "D3" means double only on 3 cards, otherwise hit? I guess I'm surprised that there are so many circumstances where pulling one more low card out of a 6 deck shoe makes the difference between doubling and hitting.
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February 24th, 2011 at 11:58:09 AM permalink
I am assuming that because of this rule:
If player doubles or splits, and dealer gets a blackjack, then the player loses the original bet only.

the procedure is "no peek". Is that consistent in all casinos? Do they have the mirror in some places? You may want to spell this out for your readers.
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February 24th, 2011 at 12:11:20 PM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

I am assuming that because of this rule:
If player doubles or splits, and dealer gets a blackjack, then the player loses the original bet only.

the procedure is "no peek". Is that consistent in all casinos? Do they have the mirror in some places? You may want to spell this out for your readers.

It was spelled out in the rules that the dealer doesn't take a hole card - therefore no mirror or other device is requred.

The key is that this is different than Eurpoe. In many European casinos that have a no dealer hole card, you lose split and doubles bets if the dealer gets BlackJack!
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February 24th, 2011 at 12:15:21 PM permalink
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The key is that this is different than Eurpoe. In many European casinos that have a no dealer hole card, you lose split and doubles bets if the dealer gets BlackJack!



This is true, my strategy never involves a double or split against an ace or ten (except Aces) so the rules doesn't bother me.
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February 24th, 2011 at 12:25:26 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

It was spelled out in the rules that the dealer doesn't take a hole card - therefore no mirror or other device is requred.



I missed that important point.

It seems like a good card counter could beat this game when there is a shoe. Do they have obvious ways of protecting against card counters? Low maximums, limited spread, etc. Would it be worth it to spend $600 and 7 hours to fly there from LAX and count cards?
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February 24th, 2011 at 12:29:10 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I think for most computers and most browsers, its best if you load text first and then have any graphics such as charts and photographs in the second post or separately defined html area, so that it sizes properly upon loading.



There is definitely a problem with page size, however since you generally do not have these problems I think it has to do with being unfinished.

PS: mighty low HE, and promotions to boot, I see.
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February 24th, 2011 at 1:35:29 PM permalink
Quote: PapaChubby

So "D" means double on 2 or 3 cards, but "D3" means double only on 3 cards, otherwise hit? I guess I'm surprised that there are so many circumstances where pulling one more low card out of a 6 deck shoe makes the difference between doubling and hitting.


The only place where there should be a D3 is player 9 vs dealer 3. The reason you don't double with 9 v 3 with 2 cards is because if you get a 2, an 11 becomes a much better double.
I have no clue why there are D3's in the soft section as their totals are not 9, 10, or 11.
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February 24th, 2011 at 1:57:21 PM permalink
Y'all are right, I shouldn't have had any D3 cells in the soft hands. That is what the strategy would look like if they allowed 3-card soft doubling. Strange that they don't, as it doesn't make much different in house edge.

However, the page looks fine to me in IE and Google Chrome. It should look much like my page on European blackjack, which has been as it is now for years. Do the two pages look significantly different to anyone, and if so, which browser?

I will detail the card counting conditions in yet another upcoming page.
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February 24th, 2011 at 2:07:31 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Do the two pages look significantly different to anyone, and if so, which browser?



Yes, in my Mozilla Firefox browser the Panamanian BJ page has the chart way over to the right, so that to see all at once the page has to be shrunk down so far that the print is tiny.
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February 24th, 2011 at 3:38:48 PM permalink
Good article. The rules are very similar to the blackjack rules in Lima, Peru casinos. I also noticed that two of the casino chains, Fiesta and Majestic, were in Lima as well.
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February 24th, 2011 at 4:44:51 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Yes, in my Mozilla Firefox browser the Panamanian BJ page has the chart way over to the right, so that to see all at once the page has to be shrunk down so far that the print is tiny.



I have the same problem, using the same browser.
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February 24th, 2011 at 5:17:01 PM permalink
Okay, I think I fixed it. Before I had about 300 hyphens in a row to spread the page to the desired width. In Chrome and IE it wraps those hyphens around, but it seems Firefox doesn't like to do that. There should be this problem on lots of other pages on my site that don't have much text content.

Thanks for letting me know about it.
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February 24th, 2011 at 5:22:54 PM permalink
Yup, that seems to have fixed it.
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February 24th, 2011 at 5:32:33 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Okay, I think I fixed it. Before I had about 300 hyphens in a row to spread the page to the desired width. In Chrome and IE it wraps those hyphens around, but it seems Firefox doesn't like to do that. There should be this problem on lots of other pages on my site that don't have much text content.

Yep. It's a problem on a lot of the video poker paytable pages.
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February 24th, 2011 at 7:12:09 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Okay, I think I fixed it. Before I had about 300 hyphens in a row to spread the page to the desired width. In Chrome and IE it wraps those hyphens around, but it seems Firefox doesn't like to do that. There should be this problem on lots of other pages on my site that don't have much text content.

Thanks for letting me know about it.

Hyphens? You need to use the 1-pixel trick.

The following image is a 1-pixel, invisible, 44 byte image:
http://www.djteddybear.com/images/1_pixel.gif

Put it on the page, using width tag to force the size of the page you're looking for. It works a lot better than a string of characters that are the same color as the background....
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February 24th, 2011 at 8:33:13 PM permalink
I use FireFox for WindowsXP.
The rightmost image near the bottom is off the screen for me.
The text "Veneto paid 2:1 on" is visible the rest of that line is off screen for me.
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