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Wizard
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September 24th, 2024 at 1:21:45 PM permalink
Double Exposure has risen from the dead under the new name of Face Up Blackjack. For the benefit of the younger members, double exposure was a form of blackjack in which both dealer cards were exposed. The takeback was ties lose and winning blackjacks paid even money.

In Face Up Blackjack, winning blackjacks pay 6 to 5. However, doubling is limited to 10 and 11.

The game can currently be played at the Golden Nugget in Las Vegas.

I welcome you to read all the rules, strategy and analysis in my new page on Face Up Blackjack. I welcome all comments, questions and corrections.

The question for the poll is would you play Face Up Blackjack?
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September 24th, 2024 at 1:47:37 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Double Exposure has risen from the dead under the new name of Face Up Blackjack. For the benefit of the younger members, double exposure was a form of blackjack in which both dealer cards were exposed. The takeback was ties lose and winning blackjacks paid even money.

In Face Up Blackjack, winning blackjacks pay 6 to 5. However, doubling is limited to 10 and 11.

The game can currently be played at the Golden Nugget in Las Vegas.

I welcome you to read all the rules, strategy and analysis in my new page on Face Up Blackjack. I welcome all comments, questions and corrections.

The question for the poll is would you play Face Up Blackjack?
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Does card counting Face Up give more or less advantage over traditional blackjack? I don't think I ever played Double Exposure so I probably would not play Face Up.
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September 24th, 2024 at 2:21:15 PM permalink
I played it in Laughlin years ago. Every rule change worked in my favor for about an hour, and I loved the game. Then about a dozen hands in a row screwed me, compared to normal rules. A spot opened at the regular table and I switched. This was back when the Edgewater was getting a dozen buses a day.
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September 24th, 2024 at 2:51:10 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: Wizard

Double Exposure has risen from the dead under the new name of Face Up Blackjack. For the benefit of the younger members, double exposure was a form of blackjack in which both dealer cards were exposed. The takeback was ties lose and winning blackjacks paid even money.

In Face Up Blackjack, winning blackjacks pay 6 to 5. However, doubling is limited to 10 and 11.

The game can currently be played at the Golden Nugget in Las Vegas.

I welcome you to read all the rules, strategy and analysis in my new page on Face Up Blackjack. I welcome all comments, questions and corrections.

The question for the poll is would you play Face Up Blackjack?
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Does card counting Face Up give more or less advantage over traditional blackjack? I don't think I ever played Double Exposure so I probably would not play Face Up.
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Stanford Wong has a discussion of Double Exposure in at least one of the editions of Professional Blackjack. The game has the benefit of higher effect of removal, so the edge changes more rapidly and so more favorable situations can he found earlier in the shoe. My recollection is 0.8% per TC.
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September 24th, 2024 at 4:49:35 PM permalink
Playing double exposure was fun when dealers on a rotation would forget that ties lose, or that blackjack paid even money.
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September 24th, 2024 at 6:12:40 PM permalink
I would have the same problem with this game as with Face-up Pai Gow. It takes the fun out of the game when you take away that decision. I will probably try it for a few hands next time I am downtown, but it just seems weird to have to hit on 18's and 19's and watch others do the same...
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September 24th, 2024 at 7:12:56 PM permalink
A couple of glitches with the WOO article:

1. A couple of the strategy tables show a player 18 as '81' in the left hand column.

2. The last strategy table for pairs only provides strategy for dealer hands up to 17. Should player split or hit with A-A vs 18?
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September 24th, 2024 at 9:31:22 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Does card counting Face Up give more or less advantage over traditional blackjack? I don't think I ever played Double Exposure so I probably would not play Face Up.
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I don't have the formal answer, but my gut tells me face up would be better. Essentially the counting will work out similar (assuming house edge is modified to be around the same). However, your decisions will all be made with more information. Imagine getting dealt a 13 to dealer K in a TC +3 scenario... now imagine getting dealt 13 vs dealer up K and down exposed 5, in a TC +3. It's possible my quick response looks over an equal/opposite negative, but just my gut instinct on it.
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September 24th, 2024 at 11:40:00 PM permalink
Quote: zbrownson

I will probably try it for a few hands next time I am downtown, but it just seems weird to have to hit on 18's and 19's and watch others do the same...
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And someone will still tell you you're wrong for doing it and you're "messing up the cards."
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September 25th, 2024 at 5:36:55 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

A couple of glitches with the WOO article:

1. A couple of the strategy tables show a player 18 as '81' in the left hand column.

2. The last strategy table for pairs only provides strategy for dealer hands up to 17. Should player split or hit with A-A vs 18?
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Good catch on 1. For soft 18 to 20, you revert to the table for dealer hard totals, since the dealer must stand. Table 5 tells us AA vs 18 = H.
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