Mental
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July 24th, 2023 at 4:46:56 PM permalink
In this screen shot, I am about to double the fourth hand. All hands were hard totals against a dealer 9. I would have won \$25K for each hand where I drew perfectly to a total of 21. The dealer beat both my non-bust totals, so I lost everything. This is a really tough game if you cannot catch cards when you have a 25x multiplier.

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rainman
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July 24th, 2023 at 7:50:34 PM permalink
Was interested in this got as far as finding the strategy but got interrupted.
How complicated is it?
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July 25th, 2023 at 5:50:25 AM permalink
Quote: rainman

Was interested in this got as far as finding the strategy but got interrupted.
How complicated is it?

It is 60 different games with 60 different strategy charts. The multiplier makes the biggest impact on strategy, and 2x is fairly normal except that you hit all hard 12 totals (unless 12 is the target total). The 5x games starts getting weird, and strategies for 25x on up are rather simple but very different from ordinary BJ.

There is a Bingo Blackjack thread: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/38278-bingo-blackjack/#post889913%3C/span%3E

I have a 20% loss rebate this week up to \$5000 loss. With the volatility of this game, I have a good chance of scoring a \$1000 rebate. EDIT: Well, I hit a 5x hand and won two doubled hands in the first 10 hands and decided to quit trying for the loss rebate because I was \$4500 ahead.
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July 25th, 2023 at 6:53:35 AM permalink
Quote: Mental

Quote: rainman

Was interested in this got as far as finding the strategy but got interrupted.
How complicated is it?

It is 60 different games with 60 different strategy charts. The multiplier makes the biggest impact on strategy, and 2x is fairly normal except that you hit all hard 12 totals (unless 12 is the target total). The 5x games starts getting weird, and strategies for 25x on up are rather simple but very different from ordinary BJ.

There is a Bingo Blackjack thread: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/38278-bingo-blackjack/#post889913%3C/span%3E

I have a 20% loss rebate this week up to \$5000 loss. With the volatility of this game, I have a good chance of scoring a \$1000 rebate. EDIT: Well, I hit a 5x hand and won two doubled hands in the first 10 hands and decided to quit trying for the loss rebate because I was \$4500 ahead.

You walked away from a possible \$1000 loss rebate just because you were up \$4500?
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July 25th, 2023 at 8:05:40 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

You walked away from a possible \$1000 loss rebate just because you were up \$4500?

This isn't even a big loss rebate and more will come along soon enough. I have to play \$150K on live dealer and on \$60K slots. Diminishing returns. I have to stop somewhere. Where would you stop?
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July 26th, 2023 at 3:06:34 AM permalink
Quote: Mental

Quote: billryan

You walked away from a possible \$1000 loss rebate just because you were up \$4500?

This isn't even a big loss rebate and more will come along soon enough. I have to play \$150K on live dealer and on \$60K slots. Diminishing returns. I have to stop somewhere. Where would you stop?

I perceived Billy’s comment as satire. Sort of like congratulating you for your \$4.5k win.
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July 26th, 2023 at 6:08:10 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: Mental

Quote: billryan

You walked away from a possible \$1000 loss rebate just because you were up \$4500?

This isn't even a big loss rebate and more will come along soon enough. I have to play \$150K on live dealer and on \$60K slots. Diminishing returns. I have to stop somewhere. Where would you stop?

I perceived Billy’s comment as satire. Sort of like congratulating you for your \$4.5k win.

Okay. But, I did leave a lot of EV on the table. I lost \$4100 on the single hand in the OP, and I had a very good chance of losing \$9500 pretty quickly if I had continued.
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September 18th, 2023 at 11:16:24 AM permalink
I have lost a lot of money on Bingo Blackjack. When the big money is on the line, I keep on getting snake bit by the deck.
In this example in the spoiler, I had a target of 21 and 5x multiplier. I was dealt two tens against a dealer six. I split the tens and got an ace for 21 on the first hand. I got a 3 on the second hand, and doubled down. I drew a perfect 8 for a another 21. At this point, I have wagered \$960. I win \$5400 unless the dealer makes a 21, in which case I get back \$900 and actually lose \$60 on the hand.
TRANSACTION DETAILS
Wager Information:
Reels
Target Hand Value: 21
Multiplier: 5

Players Hand 1
[ Action : deal]

Cards HK CQ
Hand Value: 20
Is Split Hand? No
Is Doubled? No
Is Surrendered? No
Is Rescued? No
Status playing

Stake: USD 300
Winnings: USD 0

Dealers Hand
Cards S6
Hand Value 6

Wager Stake Wins
Main Bet: USD 300 USD 0
Bingo Bet: USD 60.00
Insurance: USD 0 USD 0
Sum of all Wagers: USD 360.00 USD 0

Reels
Target Hand Value: 21
Multiplier: 5

Players Hand 1
[ Action : split]

Cards HK HA
Hand Value: 21
Is Split Hand? Yes
Split From None
Is Doubled? No
Is Surrendered? No
Is Rescued? No
Status playing

Stake: USD 300
Winnings: USD 0

Players Hand 2

Cards CQ
Hand Value: 10
Is Split Hand? Yes
Split From Players Hand 1
Is Doubled? No
Is Surrendered? No
Is Rescued? No
Status playable

Stake: USD 300
Winnings: USD 0

Dealers Hand
Cards S6
Hand Value 6

Wager Stake Wins
Main Bet: USD 600 USD 0
Bingo Bet: USD 60.00
Insurance: USD 0 USD 0
Sum of all Wagers: USD 660.00 USD 0

Reels
Target Hand Value: 21
Multiplier: 5

Players Hand 1
[ Action : stand]

Cards HK HA
Hand Value: 21
Is Split Hand? Yes
Split From None
Is Doubled? No
Is Surrendered? No
Is Rescued? No
Status stood

Stake: USD 300
Winnings: USD 0

Players Hand 2

Cards CQ C3
Hand Value: 13
Is Split Hand? Yes
Split From Players Hand 1
Is Doubled? No
Is Surrendered? No
Is Rescued? No
Status playing

Stake: USD 300
Winnings: USD 0

Dealers Hand
Cards S6
Hand Value 6

Wager Stake Wins
Main Bet: USD 600 USD 0
Bingo Bet: USD 60.00
Insurance: USD 0 USD 0
Sum of all Wagers: USD 660.00 USD 0

Reels
Target Hand Value: 21
Multiplier: 5

Players Hand 1

Cards HK HA
Hand Value: 21
Is Split Hand? Yes
Split From None
Is Doubled? No
Is Surrendered? No
Is Rescued? No
Status stood

Stake: USD 300
Winnings: USD 300

Players Hand 2
[ Action : double]

Cards CQ C3 S8
Hand Value: 21
Is Split Hand? Yes
Split From Players Hand 1
Is Doubled? Yes
Is Surrendered? No
Is Rescued? No
Status stood

Stake: USD 600
Winnings: USD 600

Dealers Hand
Cards S6 S5 HQ
Hand Value 21

Wager Stake Wins
Main Bet: USD 900 USD 900
Bingo Bet: USD 60.00
Insurance: USD 0 USD 0
Sum of all Wagers: USD 960.00 USD 900
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September 18th, 2023 at 12:09:03 PM permalink
I assume this is at a regulated casino that has to mimic the probabilities of a fair deck?
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Mental
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September 18th, 2023 at 12:32:28 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

I assume this is at a regulated casino that has to mimic the probabilities of a fair deck?

This is Draftkings Bingo Blackjack. You can only play it at DK.

Bingo Blackjack has a variance of about 5.5 versus 1.3 for ordinary BJ. I assume I am just running bad when the big money is on the table. A lot of the RTP is for hitting targets with a 25x multiplier. With 25X, you almost always double against any dealer card if you can hit the target. Doubling a hard 16 against a dealer ace is to hit a target of 17 is usually not going to pay off, but if it does it will be at 50 times your base stake.

I need to start connecting on these 25x hands. Today, I had two 25x hands in a row that were DOA when the dealer had BJ. On the next 25x hand, I was dealt the target 18. The dealer had a pat 20.

When I get some time, I am going to run my program that downloads the details of every Bingo BJ hand. It takes a long time because I need to click on the link to every game and copy the hand details to a text file. I can calculate the RTP for any target and multiplier. It will be interesting to see what my actual RTPs are on the hands with good target and multiplier combinations. I have never won with a 50x or 100x target, so I know they are part of my losing streak.
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September 18th, 2023 at 5:10:34 PM permalink
I played more this evening at the \$200+40 bet level. I finally bought home a 25x multiplier. It was not a double down, but I will take it. After all, I was facing a dealer ten.

The dealer turned over a 6 and a 10. I had not hit a 25x in months, and that previous 25x was also achieved by beating a dealer ten.
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September 18th, 2023 at 5:14:48 PM permalink
Nice!
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