Dobrij
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March 3rd, 2023 at 5:41:19 PM permalink
Hi to all !
Sorry if this topic has already been brought up. If so, please provide a link to it.

The question is. If by agreement we two play different bets on one box, and the casino lets one of us do the surender or even money, while the other can hit. In total together, can we get an advantage?
SOOPOO
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March 3rd, 2023 at 6:25:20 PM permalink
Quote: Dobrij

Hi to all !
Sorry if this topic has already been brought up. If so, please provide a link to it.

The question is. If by agreement we two play different bets on one box, and the casino lets one of us do the surender or even money, while the other can hit. In total together, can we get an advantage?
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No. One of you is making the correct play and the other one is making the incorrect play. You do not gain an advantage by having one of you make a non optimal play.
aceside
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March 3rd, 2023 at 7:03:29 PM permalink
Eliot has mentioned that in some split for less situations, we may gain a little edge, For example, player 8,8 vs 10.
Ace2
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March 3rd, 2023 at 7:14:07 PM permalink
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Eliot has mentioned that in some split for less situations, we may gain a little edge, For example, player 8,8 vs 10.
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Even if itís true, itís gotta be a negligible effect especially factoring in the low frequency of 88 v 10
Itís all about making that GTA
aceside
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March 3rd, 2023 at 7:15:14 PM permalink
First of all, it must be true. Second, the edge of blackjack is tiny after all.
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March 3rd, 2023 at 7:45:55 PM permalink
Those plays alone will not give you an edge but in conjunction with counting can increase your edge. Itís addressed in Wongís book Blackjack secrets.
The larger the spread between the initial bettor and the back bettor can increase the edge.
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
SOOPOO
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March 3rd, 2023 at 7:46:00 PM permalink
Quote: aceside

Eliot has mentioned that in some split for less situations, we may gain a little edge, For example, player 8,8 vs 10.
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Split for less? Iíve never seen that. What casino allows you to split for less? Or is just that I havenít played blackjack in quite a while..

Even ifÖ.. thatís not what the OP asked. He was asking about surrender.
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March 3rd, 2023 at 7:51:38 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: aceside

Eliot has mentioned that in some split for less situations, we may gain a little edge, For example, player 8,8 vs 10.
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Split for less? Iíve never seen that. What casino allows you to split for less? Or is just that I havenít played blackjack in quite a while..
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In some casinos overseas they allow back betting . The seated player controls the spot usually. ( some places the biggest bettor controls it) So the $ 5 player splits 8,8 vs 10 the big bettor doesnít want to split so he plays one hand with now a starting total of 8, which is much better than starting with a total of 16. There are other similar scenarios.
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
Ace2
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March 3rd, 2023 at 9:01:14 PM permalink
In Vegas I think Iíve had people back bet my hand.

Though I donít understand why someone would want to
Itís all about making that GTA
SOOPOO
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March 3rd, 2023 at 9:30:06 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Quote: SOOPOO

Quote: aceside

Eliot has mentioned that in some split for less situations, we may gain a little edge, For example, player 8,8 vs 10.
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Split for less? Iíve never seen that. What casino allows you to split for less? Or is just that I havenít played blackjack in quite a while..
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In some casinos overseas they allow back betting . The seated player controls the spot usually. ( some places the biggest bettor controls it) So the $ 5 player splits 8,8 vs 10 the big bettor doesnít want to split so he plays one hand with now a starting total of 8, which is much better than starting with a total of 16. There are other similar scenarios.
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Iíve played overseas with back betting allowed. The larger bettor controlled the action. There were no separate actions. Of course I havenít played everywhere. But I now understand the concept, I just find it hard to believe a casino would allow it.

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