Is surveillance even watching?
But maybe it’s actually normal?
As I previously made clear, I’m a card counter so I’m naturally scared of pitbosses and surveillance. Fearing surveillance would see my play and catch me.
Well, in this casino…
Min table bet is $200 and this guy has been betting $100. I didn’t say anything just to see how the dealer would react. Dealer didn’t say anything. Pit boss barely checked the table for some reason. And he was able to get way with betting half the min bet for more than an hour, before being caught by… guess… the break dealer. Yeah… wtf
If surveillance isn’t capable of catching someone betting below table min, how the hell are they going to catch card counters.
So I’m tempted to conclude surveillance just isn’t watching at all. (Despite it being a high limit table). But I want to hear what you guys think.
It’s up to the dealer and the floor to notice that.
Quote: IWannaBeAPI feel like I may have stuck gold with finding casinos with huge oversights. Here’s one with surveillance.
But maybe it’s actually normal?
As I previously made clear, I’m a card counter so I’m naturally scared of pitbosses and surveillance. Fearing surveillance would see my play and catch me.
Well, in this casino…
Min table bet is $200 and this guy has been betting $100. I didn’t say anything just to see how the dealer would react. Dealer didn’t say anything. Pit boss barely checked the table for some reason. And he was able to get way with betting half the min bet for more than an hour, before being caught by… guess… the break dealer. Yeah… wtf
If surveillance isn’t capable of catching someone betting below table min, how the hell are they going to catch card counters.
So I’m tempted to conclude surveillance just isn’t watching at all. (Despite it being a high limit table). But I want to hear what you guys think.
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Maybe, the surveil, when they are roused to surveil. E.g. when they see someone agitated or shifty looking, or when the pit asks them to.
Quote: OnceDearQuote: IWannaBeAPI feel like I may have stuck gold with finding casinos with huge oversights. Here’s one with surveillance.
But maybe it’s actually normal?
As I previously made clear, I’m a card counter so I’m naturally scared of pitbosses and surveillance. Fearing surveillance would see my play and catch me.
Well, in this casino…
Min table bet is $200 and this guy has been betting $100. I didn’t say anything just to see how the dealer would react. Dealer didn’t say anything. Pit boss barely checked the table for some reason. And he was able to get way with betting half the min bet for more than an hour, before being caught by… guess… the break dealer. Yeah… wtf
If surveillance isn’t capable of catching someone betting below table min, how the hell are they going to catch card counters.
So I’m tempted to conclude surveillance just isn’t watching at all. (Despite it being a high limit table). But I want to hear what you guys think.
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Maybe, the surveil, when they are roused to surveil. E.g. when they see someone agitated or shifty looking, or when the pit asks them to.
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As Hunter said, surveillance would have zero interest in that.
How do they do that? By watching thumbnails spread out in front of them.
They are doing visual acuity scans or basically just letting their eyes roam hoping they catch a detail that's off.
They're also drinking coffee and not trying to stress so they aren't looking at minimum wagers not being met at a table.
They are looking for violence against machines or people, children who may wander onto the gaming floor or abandoned by their parents in the food court so they can gamble, underage teenagers, purse snatchers if they see a purse left on a chair
In other words things they can spot from cursory examination that are red flags.
Everything else they leave up to the floor dealers and security
You are probably going to ask what about evicted patrons. Recently evicted patrons or people they have flagged as suspicious they will monitor their movements and keep an eye out for when they enter the Casino. I find if you are flagged, just switching shifts, especially the late shift sometimes works because often the warning to watch for a particular person isn't communicated to the other shift.
If you have been evicted and some time (a year or more) has passed they aren't looking for you and you can roam around. But you are in the computer amongst every other evicted person and periodically they are supposed to scan through those files. So that's usually when you get caught. You could be evicted from a casino and roaming around in it for three months and security doesn't bother you and then suddenly someone who just saw your face in a file review recognizes you.
A lot of these tips come directly from a surveillance guy in a casino that my AP partner was lucky to have known since childhood.
Quote: AlanMendelsonThe $100 player may simply have been grandfathered in.
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This is quite possible, I've been at BJ tables a couple times where the limit was raised well into play as the casino starts to get busier later in the evening, and they just let me and the others who have been there continue to bet the prior minimum until we get out of our seat. I am not sure if this happens with other games, I have only experience it in BJ. (I have also experienced when the limit has been raised, and they said starting in X amount of bets everyone must switch to the new limit or leave).
But, I also don't think this is something surveillance/security would care about (unless you get warned to increase your bet to the minimum and keep attempting to bet below), I suspect its left to the floor's discretion about how strictly minimums are enforced.
Surveillance also looks for situations where a player was overpaid. Including for example say on "commissionless" Baccarat tables where full pay was made on a half pay win.
I’ve been there when the phone rang in both situations.
Speaking of which - you'd think that by now they would have gotten to the point of some kind of electronic message on a screen, but no - it's still the old fashioned phone call from "upstairs" that alerts the pit boss to a situation.
I am sure it happens the other way too, with surveillance initiating the watch, but I think generally the pit boss directs the action for that.
Quote: IWannaBeAPI feel like I may have stuck gold with finding casinos with huge oversights. Here’s one with surveillance.
But maybe it’s actually normal?
As I previously made clear, I’m a card counter so I’m naturally scared of pitbosses and surveillance. Fearing surveillance would see my play and catch me.
Well, in this casino…
Min table bet is $200 and this guy has been betting $100. I didn’t say anything just to see how the dealer would react. Dealer didn’t say anything. Pit boss barely checked the table for some reason. And he was able to get way with betting half the min bet for more than an hour, before being caught by… guess… the break dealer. Yeah… wtf
If surveillance isn’t capable of catching someone betting below table min, how the hell are they going to catch card counters.
So I’m tempted to conclude surveillance just isn’t watching at all. (Despite it being a high limit table). But I want to hear what you guys think.
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they dont need to be watching they have cameras to do that... when something happens they can review the footage and make their choice
