IWannaBeAP
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October 18th, 2022 at 10:25:34 PM permalink
I've only ratholed green chips so far but I'm wondering if it's doable with black chips.

I normally wouldn't even consider ratholing black chips because rumor says they are watched more closely than greens.

However, there's this table at the casino where the min is $50 and the dealer tray only has 2 sets of greens and 4 sets of blacks, and the dealer constantly insisting on paying with blacks because he's "low on greens", and then screams 'BLACK ACTION' when it's his fault I got black chips to begin with.

Just wanted to ask if anyone else has experience successfully ratholing blacks and how it went for you guys.
AxelWolf
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October 18th, 2022 at 10:29:35 PM permalink
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I've only ratholed green chips so far but I'm wondering if it's doable with black chips.

I normally wouldn't even consider ratholing black chips because rumor says they are watched more closely than greens.

However, there's this table at the casino where the min is $50 and the dealer tray only has 2 sets of greens and 4 sets of blacks, and the dealer constantly insisting on paying with blacks because he's "low on greens", and then screams 'BLACK ACTION' when it's his fault I got black chips to begin with.

Just wanted to ask if anyone else has experience successfully ratholing blacks and how it went for you guys.
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"successfully" I guess that depends on what you're trying to accomplish and how much you're attempting to rat hole.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AlanMendelson
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October 18th, 2022 at 10:57:00 PM permalink
I'm not sure that ratholing is such a smart thing to do.

I've been reading the various posts on the subject and I understand the goals. But lately I've become aware of what happens when someone leaves the table without an accurate count....

The floor person or box person, when there is a deficit in the bank, will attach those chips rightfully or wrongfully to the player who didn't color up properly or may have ratholed.

This leads me to believe ratholing will bite you in the ass.

So... is it worthwhile trying to hide chips?
DRich
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October 19th, 2022 at 5:29:25 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I'm not sure that ratholing is such a smart thing to do.

I've been reading the various posts on the subject and I understand the goals. But lately I've become aware of what happens when someone leaves the table without an accurate count....

The floor person or box person, when there is a deficit in the bank, will attach those chips rightfully or wrongfully to the player who didn't color up properly or may have ratholed.

This leads me to believe ratholing will bite you in the ass.

So... is it worthwhile trying to hide chips?
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It really depends on your goal. If you are just trying to show a small loss or smaller win ratholing chips works pretty well as long as you keep the amount small. If you are cashing in $2500 of black chips and squirrel away 2 black chips it will most likely not be noticed.
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AlanMendelson
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October 19th, 2022 at 7:59:17 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: AlanMendelson

I'm not sure that ratholing is such a smart thing to do.

I've been reading the various posts on the subject and I understand the goals. But lately I've become aware of what happens when someone leaves the table without an accurate count....

The floor person or box person, when there is a deficit in the bank, will attach those chips rightfully or wrongfully to the player who didn't color up properly or may have ratholed.

This leads me to believe ratholing will bite you in the ass.

So... is it worthwhile trying to hide chips?
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It really depends on your goal. If you are just trying to show a small loss or smaller win ratholing chips works pretty well as long as you keep the amount small. If you are cashing in $2500 of black chips and squirrel away 2 black chips it will most likely not be noticed.
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Thanks DRich but that has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.
SOOPOO
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October 19th, 2022 at 11:10:17 AM permalink
To answer your question, yes, itís doable with black chips. Like everything else in life, in moderation.
AlanMendelson
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October 19th, 2022 at 12:10:41 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

To answer your question, yes, itís doable with black chips. Like everything else in life, in moderation.
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What effect will shaving a couple of black chips have?
DRich
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October 19th, 2022 at 12:18:48 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: SOOPOO

To answer your question, yes, itís doable with black chips. Like everything else in life, in moderation.
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What effect will shaving a couple of black chips have?
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Sounds like it could be the difference between winning $100 and losing $100. If you did that daily it would be over a $70,000 difference in their accounting each year.
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AlanMendelson
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October 19th, 2022 at 12:21:52 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: SOOPOO

To answer your question, yes, itís doable with black chips. Like everything else in life, in moderation.
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What effect will shaving a couple of black chips have?
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Sounds like it could be the difference between winning $100 and losing $100. If you did that daily it would be over a $70,000 difference in their accounting each year.
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That's interesting.

Has anyone here kept results for a year on their ratholing and its effect?
TigerWu
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October 19th, 2022 at 12:23:20 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: SOOPOO

To answer your question, yes, itís doable with black chips. Like everything else in life, in moderation.
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What effect will shaving a couple of black chips have?
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Sounds like it could be the difference between winning $100 and losing $100. If you did that daily it would be over a $70,000 difference in their accounting each year.
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How would that give the player an advantage?

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