IWannaBeAP
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October 16th, 2022 at 10:55:44 AM permalink
Since they can't back you off in Missouri and New Jersey, the only places you'd get ID'd would be at the cashier cage and hotel front desk.

Assume if you play unrated, is there any chance of getting databased at all?

If you refuse to provide ID at the cage, are they still legally obligated to cash your chips?
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October 16th, 2022 at 2:06:49 PM permalink
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Since they can't back you off in Missouri and New Jersey, the only places you'd get ID'd would be at the cashier cage and hotel front desk.

Assume if you play unrated, is there any chance of getting databased at all?

If you refuse to provide ID at the cage, are they still legally obligated to cash your chips?
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the only thing they need to do in order to catch you counting cards is count cards with you and if you do the things a card counter would do when a card counter would do it

you dont need to play rated in order for it to be known if you are counting cards

many pit managers have said to me that they know how to count cards
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October 16th, 2022 at 2:40:27 PM permalink
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many pit managers have said to me that they know how to count cards



I believe that to be true but very few are competent at actually doing it and even fewer understand the plays to be made at different counts. Most are just ;looking to see if you are raising your bets on good counts.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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October 16th, 2022 at 3:39:30 PM permalink
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many pit managers have said to me that they know how to count cards



I believe that to be true but very few are competent at actually doing it and even fewer understand the plays to be made at different counts. Most are just ;looking to see if you are raising your bets on good counts.
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fine haha

google "bloodhound shufflemaster" in order to see how they do it with a computer
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October 16th, 2022 at 4:32:39 PM permalink
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google "bloodhound shufflemaster" in order to see how they do it with a computer



I am very familiar. Shufflemaster hired me and my company to write software for them for a few years..
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IWannaBeAP
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October 16th, 2022 at 5:51:24 PM permalink
heatmap you're off topic. I'm referring to the consequences of getting caught counting specifically in Missouri and New Jersey.

Missouri and New Jersey have laws where they can not back off advantage players.
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October 16th, 2022 at 5:58:25 PM permalink
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heatmap you're off topic. I'm referring to the consequences of getting caught counting specifically in Missouri and New Jersey.

Missouri and New Jersey have laws where they can not back off advantage players.
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...but they can make the game unplayable. In Missouri I have seen the pit boss instruct the dealer to cut the pack so shallowly that she ends up shuffling every round.

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October 16th, 2022 at 5:59:29 PM permalink
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heatmap you're off topic. I'm referring to the consequences of getting caught counting specifically in Missouri and New Jersey.

Missouri and New Jersey have laws where they can not back off advantage players.
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You are correct that they can not ban you from playing, but what they have been doing for 20 years is only letting known counters bet the table minimum and not vary their bets.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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October 16th, 2022 at 6:43:13 PM permalink
Last time I was in AC I played blackjack at several casinos. At each, the rule was that without showing ID or a players card, you could only bet the minimum.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
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October 16th, 2022 at 8:56:01 PM permalink
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Last time I was in AC I played blackjack at several casinos. At each, the rule was that without showing ID or a players card, you could only bet the minimum.
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I don't recall seeing such a notice. However, I saw a sign on their blackjack tables saying players without showing a players card are limited to one spot at $100 max bet, but that was in Borgata.

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