Thread Rating:

Poll

1 vote (6.25%)
3 votes (18.75%)
9 votes (56.25%)
No votes (0%)
9 votes (56.25%)
No votes (0%)
3 votes (18.75%)
No votes (0%)
4 votes (25%)
2 votes (12.5%)

16 members have voted

Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1497
  • Posts: 26680
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
Thanked by
MrCasinoGamescamapl
August 10th, 2022 at 12:01:52 PM permalink
Pocket Rockets is a blackjack side bet that wins if the player has at least one ace in his first two cards and more for two. You can find all the rules and analysis at my new page on Pocket Rockets. Bottom line is a house edge of 9.20%. The game already has placements in Blackhawk and Cripple Creek in Colorado.

I also just put together a video with inventor Angel Espino explaining the side bet.


Direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xirOJKDxalk

The question for the poll is would you play Pocket Rockets (multiple votes allowed).
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
DRich
DRich
  • Threads: 89
  • Posts: 12036
Joined: Jul 6, 2012
August 10th, 2022 at 1:56:06 PM permalink
I would assume you could get a small edge by counting aces as they come out.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
UsernameRemorse
UsernameRemorse
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 35
Joined: Jul 4, 2020
August 10th, 2022 at 3:20:21 PM permalink
It has been my experience that counting aces on your feet becomes automatic, like anything else, with practice.
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1497
  • Posts: 26680
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
August 10th, 2022 at 4:23:41 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I would assume you could get a small edge by counting aces as they come out.
link to original post



I think more than small.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
JoeTheDragon
JoeTheDragon
  • Threads: 3
  • Posts: 67
Joined: Mar 6, 2010
August 10th, 2022 at 8:42:17 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: DRich

I would assume you could get a small edge by counting aces as they come out.
link to original post



I think more than small.
link to original post


what about counting for the 11 or less part?
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1497
  • Posts: 26680
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
August 11th, 2022 at 6:21:05 AM permalink
Quote: JoeTheDragon

what about counting for the 11 or less part?
link to original post



That's only 21% of the return. I still say an ace/non-ace count would be powerful. If teliot sees this thread, the chances are good he would provide us with a card counting vulnerability analysis.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
LAD
LAD
  • Threads: 21
  • Posts: 50
Joined: May 18, 2015
August 12th, 2022 at 10:34:46 AM permalink
Wonder how the late great Henri Richard would feel about the name of this game ? :)
ThatDonGuy
ThatDonGuy
  • Threads: 118
  • Posts: 6458
Joined: Jun 22, 2011
August 12th, 2022 at 1:11:25 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I would assume you could get a small edge by counting aces as they come out.
link to original post


I heard that...

Doing some quick computing, using a balanced count of -12 for each ace and +1 for each non-ace, the "magic number" for a 6-deck shoe appears to be around +28.
As for an unbalanced Ace count, I don't get a positive EV for any value.
isaacl
isaacl
  • Threads: 2
  • Posts: 8
Joined: Oct 8, 2011
Thanked by
camaplksdjdjteliot
August 22nd, 2022 at 10:57:58 AM permalink
On the last hand, WoO violates basic strategy: with 10v10, you're not supposed to have a ponytail.
ksdjdj
ksdjdj
  • Threads: 94
  • Posts: 1707
Joined: Oct 20, 2013
August 22nd, 2022 at 5:53:26 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I would assume you could get a small edge by counting aces as they come out.
link to original post


Even though counting aces would be the most important thing for a potential AP, the "extra effort" of also counting each suit could make a "big enough" difference to make it worthwhile to use a "harder" count, see scenarios below .

With 1-deck remaining and all cards evenly distributed, except:

1) There are 4 aces of the same suit, then I get an EV of about +19.31%

2) There are 3 out of the 4 aces of the same suit, then it is about -1.06% EV, this is a ~20.36% swing against the player (when compared to scenario "1)", above).
teliot
teliot
  • Threads: 43
  • Posts: 2871
Joined: Oct 19, 2009
August 23rd, 2022 at 5:22:25 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: JoeTheDragon

what about counting for the 11 or less part?
link to original post



That's only 21% of the return. I still say an ace/non-ace count would be powerful. If teliot sees this thread, the chances are good he would provide us with a card counting vulnerability analysis.
link to original post

Yes, I would say this is highly vulnerable. Not sure I want to do the analysis. Is this in a casino? I don't like analyzing games that aren't placed anywhere.
Climate Casino: https://climatecasino.net/climate-casino/
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1497
  • Posts: 26680
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
August 23rd, 2022 at 8:05:02 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Yes, I would say this is highly vulnerable. Not sure I want to do the analysis. Is this in a casino? I don't like analyzing games that aren't placed anywhere.
link to original post



It's at a couple casinos in Colorado.

The forum should be advised that the side bet creator is aware of its vulnerability and how to defend it.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
isaacl
isaacl
  • Threads: 2
  • Posts: 8
Joined: Oct 8, 2011
Thanked by
teliot
August 23rd, 2022 at 12:03:17 PM permalink
Incorrect. It has exactly zero placements in Colorado, despite the creator's claim to the contrary. One of the alleged placements, The Brass Ass, had never heard of it. The other, Saratoga, said they will have the sidebet "in a month or two." Nice ponytail, BTW.
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard
  • Threads: 1497
  • Posts: 26680
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
August 23rd, 2022 at 12:05:41 PM permalink
Quote: isaacl

Incorrect. It has exactly zero placements in Colorado, despite the creator's claim to the contrary. One of the alleged placements, The Brass Ass, had never heard of it. The other, Saratoga, said they will have the sidebet "in a month or two." Nice ponytail, BTW.
link to original post



I guess I stand corrected.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
teliot
teliot
  • Threads: 43
  • Posts: 2871
Joined: Oct 19, 2009
August 23rd, 2022 at 12:16:24 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: isaacl

Incorrect. It has exactly zero placements in Colorado, despite the creator's claim to the contrary. One of the alleged placements, The Brass Ass, had never heard of it. The other, Saratoga, said they will have the sidebet "in a month or two." Nice ponytail, BTW.
link to original post



I guess I stand corrected.
link to original post

okay, when the side bet gets an actual placement that has been verified I will do the advantage play analysis.
Climate Casino: https://climatecasino.net/climate-casino/
isaacl
isaacl
  • Threads: 2
  • Posts: 8
Joined: Oct 8, 2011
August 23rd, 2022 at 8:58:02 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: isaacl

Incorrect. It has exactly zero placements in Colorado, despite the creator's claim to the contrary. One of the alleged placements, The Brass Ass, had never heard of it. The other, Saratoga, said they will have the sidebet "in a month or two." Nice ponytail, BTW.
link to original post



I guess I stand corrected.
link to original post


That ainít no guess. Thatís the way itís gonna be. 30 to 27.
  • Jump to: