moses
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July 23rd, 2021 at 9:15:38 AM permalink
Casino Tolerance. A line that cant be crossed. Learning it is easier said than done.

If I had it to do all over again (which would be the case in Vegas) I wouldve never bothered with small casinos or red chip minimums. Those are the most intolerant.

I once went from a $5 single hand to $15 two hands. The lady pit boss screams "stop the game, stop the game."😰
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moses
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July 23rd, 2021 at 9:31:19 AM permalink
Quick story (try). A snow storm hit between Christmas and New Years my Junior year in HS. I grab a shovel, hop the fence at the Grade school across the street. I shovel off the basketball court. It was so cold the ball wouldnt bounce.

Well, here comes the Principal. I figure he's going to run me off. Instead he hands me the keys to the gym.

Norm's products are the keys to the gym.🤔
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July 23rd, 2021 at 12:08:33 PM permalink
In all fairness. I have not ran a 6 deck sim. Probably wont until I plan to be active in the game which is unlikely.

I have ran several sims that look good on paper. But when I view the charts and play it out on Verite, I determine that has to be a better way. Im looking at my time as well as a money investment.

KJ (sorry to use his name when a Restricted User cant respond) once spoke to his way of the cancel out process. This led me to a conclusion that whole numbers will provide far more flexibily than 1/2 point counts. If I go beyond this, it will blow everyones mind. So I simply say thanks KJ.

It lead me to a one size fits all count. And no Im not writing any damn book.

IMO for every KJ there is a ZenKing. For every ZenKing there are 1000 who tried and failed. Im sorry, but based on the blackjack survey and the responses in this thread, I dont see being limited to a 6 deck shoe in Vegas as a viable business plan.

Quite frankly, based on the blackjack survey, I am not able comprehend KJ's rotation and returns to so many backoffs.

Also, I dont believe college football can be beat. But my cousin proves me wrong almost every season. 6 deck shoes and college football have so many variables. I dont think 5 and 6 team parleys is a good investment. But this 89 year young guy contunues to prove me wrong.
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July 23rd, 2021 at 12:14:33 PM permalink
Quote: dawinnaatlozins

i disagree Drich, 500$ is considerable alot of money to people bill gates plays 5$ blackjack table and his wealth is vast, there are people out there who look upon 500$ as if it were 50k and yet they blow 12k a year on food shopping alone!(cause they are just that rich) but couldnt bare to lose 500 at a casino? to each his own i say, 40k to you maybe 4k to someone else money is a funny bird im much like a bear to it meaning if i have a lot of it i dont mind losing or helping friends/family but as a bear you see me eating and join me and theres only room for 1 head here then i will get pizzed



I don't disagree that $500 is a lot of money. But it shouldn't be to someone who's goal is to win $2 million dollars playing blackjack playing $50 to $300 per hand.
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moses
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July 23rd, 2021 at 12:18:12 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I don't disagree that $500 is a lot of money. But it shouldn't be to someone who's goal is to win $2 million dollars playing blackjack playing $50 to $300 per hand.

over a 10 year span.
joedol
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July 23rd, 2021 at 12:30:48 PM permalink
Quote: moses

In all fairness. I have not ran a 6 deck sim. Probably wont until I plan to be active in the game which is unlikely.

I have ran several sims that look good on paper. But when I view the charts and play it out on Verite, I determine that has to be a better way. Im looking at my time as well as a money investment.

KJ (sorry to use his name when a Restricted User cant respond) once spoke to his way of the cancel out process. This led me to a conclusion that whole numbers will provide far more flexibily than 1/2 point counts. If I go beyond this, it will blow everyones mind. So I simply say thanks KJ.

It lead me to a one size fits all count. And no Im not writing any damn book.

IMO for every KJ there is a ZenKing. For every ZenKing there are 1000 who tried and failed. Im sorry, but based on the blackjack survey and the responses in this thread, I dont see being limited to a 6 deck shoe in Vegas as a viable business plan.

Quite frankly, based on the blackjack survey, I am not able comprehend KJ's rotation and returns to so many backoffs.

Also, I dont believe college football can be beat. But my cousin proves me wrong almost every season. 6 deck shoes and college football have so many variables. I dont think 5 and 6 team parleys is a good investment. But this 89 year young guy contunues to prove me wrong.



You're basing an awful lot on the survey. When I left Vegas a few weeks ago what I was seeing wasn't even close to what the survey says.
And in a few months it will probably be different again.
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July 23rd, 2021 at 12:42:02 PM permalink
Quote: joedol

You're basing an awful lot on the survey. When I left Vegas a few weeks ago what I was seeing wasn't even close to what the survey says.
And in a few months it will probably be different again.



A successful player for over a decade span says to stay away from $50 min bet 6 shoes and up. Cant bet 1 and 2 hands on double deck games which are closely hawked. Stay off the strip.

What's left to play? How do you get a rotation of 10, 25, 30 casinos after all that has been eliminated?
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July 23rd, 2021 at 1:18:29 PM permalink
Variance is a concern. It will take 2 to 4 weeks with Norm's products to make that determination. A percentage count (which few understand) is doable. Just 6 times the memory required and a formula does back it.

If someone were coming to Northern Neveda. Id say check out Silver Legacy, El Dorado, GSR, Nugget, Atlantis, and Peppermill.

Two in Tahoe Montbleu and Harolds. Maybe Harrahs or they are one the same.

That would leave you 8 places to check out for your rotation.

But Vegas is all over the place. Dont go here. Cant do that.
What is left?

So why go through all the work on Norm's products?

Based on the number of solids in Vegas, Id go check them out.
Then go to work if I thought it was doable.
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dawinnaatlozins
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July 23rd, 2021 at 1:25:52 PM permalink
Moses, tis not a question if the game can be beaten by you or not the question is will the casino tolerate you taking $$$ from them each day, week,month year?
thats the question and imo from what i read answer is no, even Colins latest youtube video shows a counter burns himself out in a mere 115 hours i think he said hi limit stakes around 27hours, all fair and well if you get das boot by 115th hour and your winning more power to you but suppose you in the down swing of your life? can you really take the households income and gamble the casinos will tolerate you? even the guy who filmed himself going to casinos through the usa in an RV got backed off and you said you got backed off playing a lousy 15$ bet, i honestly feel no good will come from card counting because of the backoffs, its your money/life maybe you be another ZK or KJ and avoid detection and win forever
moses
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July 23rd, 2021 at 1:49:25 PM permalink
Quote: dawinnaatlozins

Moses, tis not a question if the game can be beaten by you or not the question is will the casino tolerate you taking $$$ from them each day, week,month year?
thats the question and imo from what i read answer is no, even Colins latest youtube video shows a counter burns himself out in a mere 115 hours i think he said hi limit stakes around 27hours, all fair and well if you get das boot by 115th hour and your winning more power to you but suppose you in the down swing of your life? can you really take the households income and gamble the casinos will tolerate you? even the guy who filmed himself going to casinos through the usa in an RV got backed off and you said you got backed off playing a lousy 15$ bet, i honestly feel no good will come from card counting because of the backoffs, its your money/life maybe you be another ZK or KJ and avoid detection and win forever



To be fair. I didnt get backed off over $15. I exited because it was clear I couldnt get a fair game. I did go back and the pit boss/dice dealer said there is no way a counter can beat blackjack. I agreed based on their rules. We agreed to a friendly compition and rules. He'd keep coming over and checking the tray. I was up maybe $300, I dont remember exactly. But it wasnt much.

Anyway, I ask "wouldn't it be easier to count my chips as opposed to the tray"? It was then he banned me.

Harrahs was like walking into Cheers. Can we raise the table limit from $10 to $25min? Sure, for you, no problem. Then one day no one said a word. I was given the tap and speech before the first deck was completed. So yes, red chip min. tables make me twitchy.

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