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July 22nd, 2021 at 10:17:42 AM permalink
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So, you are going to take $200,000 per year for 10 years from these 10 casinos, totaling about $2,000,000 from 10 casinos….playing, I assume on some type of regular, rotating basis as one needs to actually apply his craft to make money, right? In the same realm, you are also going to attempt some form of structuring in the process, also attempting to remain under the radar.

And you think all of this will go unnoticed or “don’t care” by the casinos…with the idea that if 1 casino catches on to your not only advantage play card counting but also attempting to “hide your tracks”, money wise.

Yeah…I’m skeptical.



Well...when you put it that way? Im a little skeptical as well. On average, I know people hate that word, it breaks down to $1667 per month per casino.

Im going out on limb here and say Im thinking you're a pit boss. A damn good one with years of experience and a person with a great deal of integrity.

I dont think a $50 min bet player with a 1 to 12 spread is going to have to cover tracks or structure. Certainly playing within casino tolerance. No?
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July 22nd, 2021 at 10:23:02 AM permalink
Double hand, i think is a red flag, My preference is to play single. Even if its only break even. People who use two hands that arent counting seem silly.

Once, i witnessed a counter play two hands. he was like a machine. Very fast.
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July 22nd, 2021 at 10:51:22 AM permalink
So I guess the places I decided to visit are on the strip? Some say that's the worst place to play.

You cant spread to two hands on double deck without being shown the door in very short order. That's almost as chicken shoot as 6.5.

Most everything else on the blackjack survey appear to be tiny whineys.

So where is all this money being made?
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July 22nd, 2021 at 11:00:15 AM permalink
When i saw that counter with two hands. It was sometime between 3 to 7 years ago. It was bad rules and small casino. He must have burned his face.

Today, I dont know what the conditions are like, rules or tolerances
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July 22nd, 2021 at 1:06:25 PM permalink
Tiny Whineys: Anytime your minimin bet exceeds the table min. you are taking a risk to be backed off. For one thing, you never know what the EITS is thinking. You may be spreading $25 to $300 which is more acceptable in a larger casino with $25 minimums.

A tiny whiney see's it as a $300 bet on a $10 min. table.
So those casinos tolerances will be less accepted. If one is getting backed off? Obviously, they have exceeded tolerance. A dangerous thing to go back, it only takes one to take it personal.

So where is all this money being made?
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July 22nd, 2021 at 4:25:47 PM permalink
Moses, when are you moving to Vegas? If it is in the next three months I will sell you my house as I am moving to Florida to die,
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July 22nd, 2021 at 4:56:42 PM permalink
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Moses, when are you moving to Vegas? If it is in the next three months I will sell you my house as I am moving to Florida to die,


I have alot to do before I move. Right now, based on responses, Im not sure Vegas is even worth checking out. I was hoping to go in August.

I have fam that just moved to Tampa. Loves it. I wish you all the best.
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July 22nd, 2021 at 5:02:08 PM permalink
I do not believe the shoe is beatable. Too many variables. But I will begin the process IF I determine it's worth the work.

One thing is for sure. I will be well prepared before I ever play one hand from a shoe in Vegas.
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July 22nd, 2021 at 7:24:15 PM permalink
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I do not believe the shoe is beatable. Too many variables. But I will begin the process IF I determine it's worth the work.

One thing is for sure. I will be well prepared before I ever play one hand from a shoe in Vegas.



Shoes are definitely beatable, just at what monetary level is the question. You can definitely average a $100k a year on shoes betting $50-$300. You would just have to play short sessions and have a big rotation of casinos.
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July 22nd, 2021 at 7:49:48 PM permalink
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Shoes are definitely beatable, just at what monetary level is the question. You can definitely average a $100k a year on shoes betting $50-$300. You would just have to play short sessions and have a big rotation of casinos.


The blackjack survey indicates about 10 casinos are worth checking out. But a long time successful player says to stay off the strip. That leaves zippo. Where is this big rotation to come from? What do you consider a big rotation?

Vegas casinos wont allow going back and forth from 1 to 2 hands on double deck? What is wrong with those guys? What is wrong with people to support that restriction?

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