BoSox
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August 1st, 2021 at 8:11:16 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Who has contributed more as far as blackjack goes on this forum or any of the others he's posted on the last decade or so?



All due respect Mr. Ryan is that a trick question? Otherwise, the question should have been, how many good active Blackjack boards was the man allowed to post. If the remaining boards that he was allowed to post at, what good is it if you only have up to a half dozen or so interested Blackjack members in each remaining board? So obviously your case is very weak, not to mention your understanding of just what information is valuable or not.
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August 1st, 2021 at 8:21:32 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

My imagination of contributions? Really?

Here are a couple quotes from someone we both knew pretty well:

"I still belong to an actual Blackjack forum where KJ was barred. I do not know all of the in's and outs and behind the scenes actions that took place and I don't care. All I know is that forum itself took a huge hit for the worse in the process and as always the remaining membership were the real losers, especially the new players. KJ, has a saying about Vegas BJ games, "what they lack in quality they make up for in quantity" any knowledgeable player knows when it comes to blackjack forums KJ posts are all about quality first. Membership should be glad that he is here, not ttying to encourage him to leave.."

"On regular blackjack boards no one questions KJ results credibility, it is just the opposite, as you cannot bullcrap (edited to pg friendly version of word) your way through that, people would recognize it immediately."

What happened to THAT guy? I miss him! He went from "KJ's post are about quality" to "imaginary contibutions".



Damn, those two posts must have been made at least a decade ago. Personalities change especially yours, going from being humble to being a Pro player with all the supposed right answers. Besides those two post was more about my anger for the decision made of only barring you and not including the other individual.
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kewlj
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August 1st, 2021 at 8:35:34 PM permalink
I apologize in advance that this will be long.

Look fellas, it is really this simple. 14 years ago I first joined a blackjack gambling forum. Several years later, in 2008, I decided I would share my journey. I said something to the effect that I was not a great mathematical mind, like Don S, and some of the other great BJ minds on that forum. I was not going to share any in depth mathamatics to the game. And there wasn't that much new to share anyway. So I was joing to share my journey, Playing with what I had learned from others, applying some of my own twists.

The timing was important because, the movie "21" came out that year and there was a lot of misinformation about what a card counter was and what kind of money they could make that were wrongly influencing some newer players. I think 2008 was my first 50k+ year, and I'll be honest, I thought that was about the ceiling. I knew there was a cap because if you go beyond a certain level of play, where you could make more, you weren't going to be allowed to play.

So I was wrong about exactly what the cap was and still acheive some sort of longevity. Turns out it is a little bit higher, (upper 5 figures). But, THAT was the whole idea to share my journey as I went through it in real time or close to real time and show just what kind of money a mid level card counter playing for longevity can make and the monster variance, along the way. And to share what kind of things I do to acheive that longevity.

I wanted newer players to see what making a living from card counting REALLY was, not that version from the movie and books that about the MIT team that were out at that time.

So 13 years later, I am proud that I have done that. And am still doing that. Last year I shared a very tough year. Covid aside, I made 14k vs expectation of 80 thousand. WAY under expectation for my play. My worst year in 12 in Las vegas. My worst year since way back year 3 when I was playing red chip. No other player has shared things like that. I share what I call the good, the bad and the ugly of being a card counter for a living. I have shared the monster negative swings lasting months and months. I have had 5 that lasted 5-6 months. I have shared the back offs and there were plenty my first few years in Vegas. That was part of the learning process of learning what is tolerated and what isn't.

Some, make that 'many' things I have shared almost in real time, have not been beneficial for me to have shared. But that is what I said I was going to do and that is what I have done, on whatever forum I have been on. And I make no apologies for that.

I know people have followed me from forum to forum, during this last 5 years when I bumped around, if only to read, on some forums. But I really never thought I was encouraging anyone to follow what I was doing. If anything, I thought showing them what it was really like would be discouraging and turn them off. That it was not the easy riches of the movies and some documentaries. Anyone that I engaged with and asked, I ALWAYS advised against. So if some players chose that path anyway, that is on them. I never encouraged anyone. I did and am still doing EXACTLY what I said I would do and set out to do. I don't know why all of the sudden people are getting bent out of shape about it.
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August 1st, 2021 at 8:36:57 PM permalink
Quote: BoSox

Damn, those posts must have been made at least a decade ago. Personalities change especially yours, going from being humble to being a Pro player with all the supposed right answers.



2019. 2 years ago.
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August 1st, 2021 at 8:57:21 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

2019. 2 years ago.



If true I must have been the first person who came down with the corona virus.
Ps, KJ, the above quote of me in your last post was edited which you may have missed.
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August 1st, 2021 at 8:58:00 PM permalink
Quote: moses

Who has contributed more as far as blackjack is concerned.

Don S. Norm. Tarzan. Freighter. Gronbog. T3. Bosox. Im sure more will come to mind.



Are you serious? T3? just that inclusion is laughable.

Don and Norm are blackjack legends both of who I have great respect for as far as blackjack. I don't know where I would be without Norm's software. I consider myself a Don Schlesinger disiple. He has taught me more than any other person. Not sure how much either plays in this day and age or even last 20 years and THAT is what this discussion is about.....current conditions.

Gronbog, freightman, Tarzan, some of those guys I talked about that are strong math guys. I would have doghand at or near the top of that list. Not to disparage Tarzan, but not sure if you know that when Tarzan came to Las Vegas and met with Wizard, Mike dismissed his "tarzan count' as a parlor trick, I beleive was the term he used. Basically saying it is not really applicable or adds much to todays game and conditions. Kind of like a column count. That is not how you win today. :/

Bosox? I consider Bosox a friend, through all of this. You are mentioning him as a brown nose thing. I don't know Bosox story. He doesn't share much. Was or is he a fulltime player? I don't know. A recent private conversation with him about a "swing" he had makes it seem like he doesn't play very high stakes. Not that, that would matter. There are many lesser stakes players with great knowledge and play.

But your list is just goofy and I believe insincere.
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August 1st, 2021 at 9:15:41 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj



A recent private conversation with him about a "swing" he had makes it seem like he doesn't play very high stakes. Not that, that would matter. There are many lesser stakes players with great knowledge and play.



Okay, you are messing with me, and you KNOW that the conversation was just the opposite of what you just stated. That I do not in fact play low stakes, but go ahead and have your fun.
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August 1st, 2021 at 9:18:34 PM permalink
You dont get to be credible in one area. And a liar in another. You are nowhere close to the league of names I mentioned

You turn it into a congenality contest because is the only way you can win. Look at all the naysayers in this thread alone. You fight everyone of them with a long dramatic diatribe.

If someone doesnt believe you. So what? Are you so weak that your ego needs constant stroking?

Really? This has been going on for 8 years at least. What is wrong with you?
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August 1st, 2021 at 9:22:27 PM permalink
I picked up two things from Bosox. Insurance. Frequency of large bets. Do I do what he does? Goodness no. But I looked at so many different ways to integrate it into my game.
kewlj
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August 1st, 2021 at 9:40:54 PM permalink
Quote: moses

You are nowhere close to the league of names I mentioned



Please quote where I ever compared myself to these folk or anyone. I share MY journey. That is all I have ever done. I am not competeing with you or anyone you dream up. I compete with myself and the goals I set.

I don't know you keep mentioning 8 years. I have been on forums and sharing my story for 15, since 2006 I beleive. Maybe you have been on these forums for 8. ??? Is that all it has been because it seems like you have been AT me for decades.

If I am being honest, I haven't believed your story since day 1. I don't call out everyone that I don't believe, only those that the math doesn't work. Your math is fine, it is the stakes that don't work. A player can not play high enough stakes in Reno to make a living for a decade. I Know because I play Reno several times a year. Reno is a low limit town. A player playing black stakes can roll into town a couple times a year for a weekend and get some play down. Someone saying they get that kind of play down regularly for 10 years is not being factual. I suspect you are a low limit player. I am not calling you a liar, just telling you what I think just as you have REPEATEDLY told me you don't beleive me for I guess 8 years now.

I never felt the need to reveal that I don't beleive your story, because at least your math made sense and it didn't/doesn't appear that you were harming anyone. But your story can not be as stated at the limits you claim. And I know a little lit about it because I left a place with a minimum number of casinos that I had worn out my welcome. You just cannot play such a place excusively for any meaningful stakes day after day for years. I am not going to discuss it further or anything, that is just the way it is.

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