theOmega623
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March 18th, 2021 at 7:46:04 AM permalink
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Using a streaming device in a casino will get you arrested and sentenced to jail.
Hopefully you will still be streaming for the glory of it and for all of us in your county jail.



Thanks for the legal advice.

"It's not illegal, but casinos don't allow you to do it because many of their customers don't want to be filmed or photographed playing. If you try it you won't be arrested, but you probably will be ejected."
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:20:29 AM permalink
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Thanks for the legal advice.

"It's not illegal, but casinos don't allow you to do it because many of their customers don't want to be filmed or photographed playing. If you try it you won't be arrested, but you probably will be ejected."



So what makes it illegal is that itís a computer in general - as well as tracking the results that come out of the shoe And from that point you can - well you can do the things you know how to do with precision.

Tracking the results of baccarat and roulette are legal because they know that it doesnít matter.

Tracking the results of bj is what they are saying is illegal pretty much though not having the camera in general per se
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:29:16 AM permalink
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So what makes it illegal is that itís a computer in general - as well as tracking the results that come out of the shoe And from that point you can - well you can do the things you know how to do with precision.

Tracking the results of baccarat and roulette are legal because they know that it doesnít matter.

Tracking the results of bj is what they are saying is illegal pretty much though not having the camera in general per se



Respectfully, that is incorrect. While it is against casino policy, it is in no way illegal to film yourself playing inside a casino or tracking your results. The law specifically reads "using a device to cheat", this is demonstrated by a number of players such as slot lady, colin Jones, michael morgenstern, and a few others. Take slot lady for example, if there was a law prohibiting her from streaming then the Casino would not be able to allow it. It is only against Casino policy, not illegal.
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:39:50 AM permalink
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Respectfully, that is incorrect. While it is against casino policy, it is in no way illegal to film yourself playing inside a casino or tracking your results. The law specifically reads "using a device to cheat", this is demonstrated by a number of players such as slot lady, colin Jones, michael morgenstern, and a few others. Take slot lady for example, if there was a law prohibiting her from streaming then the Casino would not be able to allow it. It is only against Casino policy, not illegal.



wrong law

NRS 465.075  Use or possession of device, software or hardware to obtain advantage at playing game prohibited.  It is unlawful for any person to use, possess with the intent to use or assist another person in using or possessing with the intent to use any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device, or any software or hardware, or any combination thereof, which is designed, constructed, altered or programmed to obtain an advantage at playing any game in a licensed gaming establishment or any game that is offered by a licensee or affiliate, including, without limitation, a device that:

1.  Projects the outcome of the game;

2.  Keeps track of cards played or cards prepared for play in the game;

3.  Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the game; or

4.  Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,


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yes argue that you arent getting an advantage but still tracking - i know because i already told you i was doing this as well just not live streamed
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:41:39 AM permalink
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wrong law

NRS 465.075  Use or possession of device, software or hardware to obtain advantage at playing game prohibited.  It is unlawful for any person to use, possess with the intent to use or assist another person in using or possessing with the intent to use any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device, or any software or hardware, or any combination thereof, which is designed, constructed, altered or programmed to obtain an advantage at playing any game in a licensed gaming establishment or any game that is offered by a licensee or affiliate, including, without limitation, a device that:

1.  Projects the outcome of the game;

2.  Keeps track of cards played or cards prepared for play in the game;

3.  Analyzes the probability of the occurrence of an event relating to the game; or

4.  Analyzes the strategy for playing or betting to be used in the game,



Recording yourself playing blackjack does none of the things listed above. Again, this has been demonstrated by Slot Lady.
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:44:46 AM permalink
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Recording yourself playing blackjack does not of the things listed above.



i know not specifically but you are keeping track of the cards of the game - and blackjack specifically uses cards - im not tyring to convince you out of this as i also am the one who suggested you embed the camera in your clothing as i feel they wont destroy it - just preparing you for the things people are going to try to argue in their favor if you get caught is all

if theres a hint of a law that sounds like what you are doing they will stretch it to your actions if they dont like what you are doing
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:48:53 AM permalink
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Respectfully, that is incorrect. While it is against casino policy, it is in no way illegal to film yourself playing inside a casino or tracking your results. The law specifically reads "using a device to cheat", this is demonstrated by a number of players such as slot lady, colin Jones, michael morgenstern, and a few others. Take slot lady for example, if there was a law prohibiting her from streaming then the Casino would not be able to allow it. It is only against Casino policy, not illegal.



i also suggested you just try to ask the casino to stream without doing it "illegally" as people are saying it.

thats the difference between illegal and legal you ask the casino and they say yes or no in this case. at least according to most opinions on the device laws that be.

i personally think you will be very successful. you seem to have a level head and are patiently waiting to get the correct information and time to do this.
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:52:21 AM permalink
Those people like slotlady and others tat stream their play, do so with permission and some sort of agreement with the casino.

I don't know, nor have ever looked into whether streaming in a casino is actually illegal as GMan says (it may very well be) or just against casino policy and rules. Even if it is the later, you still get kicked out (here in Nevada). It is something that IS going to draw attention and to me that immediately makes it not a smart AP opportunity.
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:52:57 AM permalink
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i know not specifically but you are keeping track of the cards of the game - and blackjack specifically uses cards - im not tyring to convince you out of this as i also am the one who suggested you embed the camera in your clothing as i feel they wont destroy it - just preparing you for the things people are going to try to argue in their favor if you get caught is all

if theres a hint of a law that sounds like what you are doing they will stretch it to your actions if they dont like what you are doing



I understand and I appreciate the concern. I have thoroughly researched this topic and I firmly believe, as the law reads, this is not in any way illegal. Players and customers ask and are given the permission to use their phone at the tables for photographs and video all the time. The Casino would not be able to give permission for a customer to conduct an illegal activity, that would be like asking permission to do illegal drugs in their hotel room. Furthermore, if they would like to physically detain me against my will for suspected card counting, and believe me that won't be easy, then search me without consent, I am more than willing to fight that battle. On the plus side, at least I will get it all on stream.
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March 18th, 2021 at 11:28:00 AM permalink
I'm thinking bright red Eisenhower jackets, black pants,white shirt and a bow tie. A sharply dressed crew will help your brand to no end.
I think you will also need a catchphrase.

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