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Nimadamus
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January 26th, 2021 at 5:49:50 PM permalink
I know the first answer will be to not play 6 to 5 at all. But I dont have much choice. The 2 casinos close to me have singledeck, but are both 6 to 5.

Casino 1, All cards dealt face up, double on 10 and 11 only, no double after split, 6 to 5 BJ, cant resplit aces

Casino 2: Cards dealt face down, double on any 2, double after split allowed, cant bet more than 5X the amount of previous bet at anytime, BJ pays 6 to 5 also

Anyway I have some questions. Is there any True Count that justifies doubling down on a 6 to 5 BJ? I would imagine against a 6 or 5 with a TC of +6 or more or something along those lines, but Im just guessing I dont have the actual numbers.

Which game is advantageous? Im pretty sure casino 2 would be but the cards are dealt face down in a pitch game and not everyone shows their hands so theres times when you cant know the exact count.

I have won 5 sessions in a row and am working with a small bankroll that I have just built to over 2k and looking to keep going. I won 224 today not including tips to dealers and waitresses and am home now. I feel like I should call it a day but theoretically shouldnt we be putting in as many hours as possible to maximize EV? Im very well known at my local casino and I dont always feel like talking to people if that makes sense. Im really looking to build this roll into something substantial and never look back.

When I stay focused and stick to counting usually things go well enough. Its when I drink and chase etc that I can run into trouble and blow my whole roll.

Im wondering if other counters out there play 1 or 2 hands? When the count becomes + do you switch to 2 spots?
SOOPOO
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January 26th, 2021 at 6:08:08 PM permalink
Quote: Nimadamus

I know the first answer will be to not play 6 to 5 at all. But I dont have much choice. The 2 casinos close to me have singledeck, but are both 6 to 5.

Casino 1, All cards dealt face up, double on 10 and 11 only, no double after split, 6 to 5 BJ, cant resplit aces

Casino 2: Cards dealt face down, double on any 2, double after split allowed, cant bet more than 5X the amount of previous bet at anytime, BJ pays 6 to 5 also

Anyway I have some questions. Is there any True Count that justifies doubling down on a 6 to 5 BJ? I would imagine against a 6 or 5 with a TC of +6 or more or something along those lines, but Im just guessing I dont have the actual numbers.

Which game is advantageous? Im pretty sure casino 2 would be but the cards are dealt face down in a pitch game and not everyone shows their hands so theres times when you cant know the exact count.

I have won 5 sessions in a row and am working with a small bankroll that I have just built to over 2k and looking to keep going. I won 224 today not including tips to dealers and waitresses and am home now. I feel like I should call it a day but theoretically shouldnt we be putting in as many hours as possible to maximize EV? Im very well known at my local casino and I dont always feel like talking to people if that makes sense. Im really looking to build this roll into something substantial and never look back.

When I stay focused and stick to counting usually things go well enough. Its when I drink and chase etc that I can run into trouble and blow my whole roll.

Im wondering if other counters out there play 1 or 2 hands? When the count becomes + do you switch to 2 spots?



Read my lips.... YOU HAVE BEEN LUCKY! The likelihood of 'building a roll' playing 6:5 BJ is either slim or none..... and slim left town...

You DO have a choice. You do not have to play BJ.
billryan
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January 26th, 2021 at 6:51:47 PM permalink
There are people who claim they can beat a 6-5 game with an altered count, but most people I know are pretty dubious.
It would seem you have been lucky so far. Quit while you are ahead.
BTW- why wouldn't you count the tips you lay out against your winnings.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
kewlj
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January 26th, 2021 at 8:58:51 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

There are people who claim they can beat a 6-5 game with an altered count, but most people I know are pretty dubious.
It would seem you have been lucky so far. Quit while you are ahead.
BTW- why wouldn't you count the tips you lay out against your winnings.



I hear that a guy you knew from the forums and may or may not have known personally from back east, Automonkey, did quite well playing 6:5. He just used a monster spread (over 100-1 ) and they allowed it because at the time, casinos thought 6:5 was unbeatable.

If you run simulations, you can beat it with about 40-1 spread I believe, but you are going to need a large bankroll to support the high end bets and there is going to be tremendous variance. I can't imagine it being worth it to anyone.
sabre
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January 26th, 2021 at 9:04:36 PM permalink
Is AM still alive?
kewlj
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January 26th, 2021 at 9:26:00 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

Is AM still alive?



I don't know, but there was a mention of him recently on Blackjackinfo, which I think I can mention because it is owned by the same company as this forum.
sabre
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January 26th, 2021 at 10:15:02 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I don't know, but there was a mention of him recently on Blackjackinfo, which I think I can mention because it is owned by the same company as this forum.



Super super nice guy, but just not a vision of health. I hope he's still with us.
kewlj
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January 26th, 2021 at 10:40:59 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

Super super nice guy, but just not a vision of health. I hope he's still with us.



During my AC days, I saw AM on the beach doing some sort of strange yoga/exercise/stretching regiment. I didn't know it was him at the time, I later learned it was. I didn't have a great relationship with him anyway, so I wouldn't have approached him regardless. Lets just say he had some extreme views about things that didn't make us compatible as friends or anything. AND he let you know those views. Despite that, I learned a lot from him and even had some good conversations about blackjack when he stayed focus on that. I hope he is still around as well.
Joeman
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January 27th, 2021 at 7:21:18 AM permalink
Welcome back, KJ!
"Dealer has 'rock'... Pay 'paper!'"
HiOpt2Poor
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March 28th, 2021 at 10:35:24 PM permalink
I've been adding a second spot on a high count. I had one local dealer tell me if I did he would have to shuffle. So I didn't add the spot. All the others have not said anything.

I'm looking to play 6/5 blackjack on purpose to earn up to a higher player card status. I have a feeling everyone is going to hate that idea. I used to play all Craps until I learned to count and still want my status right now. If anyone can point me towards a good system before the weekend thank you.
SOOPOO
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March 29th, 2021 at 4:49:44 AM permalink
Quote: HiOpt2Poor

I've been adding a second spot on a high count. I had one local dealer tell me if I did he would have to shuffle. So I didn't add the spot. All the others have not said anything.

I'm looking to play 6/5 blackjack on purpose to earn up to a higher player card status. I have a feeling everyone is going to hate that idea. I used to play all Craps until I learned to count and still want my status right now. If anyone can point me towards a good system before the weekend thank you.



I of course do not know what extras you will get from a higher card status, but the likelihood that it will be worth the additional money you will lose playing 6/5 is low.

Do you know how much ‘status’ you gain per expected dollar loss you will be incurring?
DRich
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March 29th, 2021 at 6:58:00 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO


Do you know how much ‘status’ you gain per expected dollar loss you will be incurring?



Of course not. If he did he wouldn't be doing it.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
HiOpt2Poor
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March 29th, 2021 at 5:21:43 PM permalink
What I've been doing is limiting my winnings each time I play to about $500. Then I can get free rooms based on my status still pay for the trip with winnings and sometimes get dining credits. My partner doesn't want to have to move around between casinos. I'm thinking after I get better I can play some to keep my free rooms with my status and goto other casinos to win higher amounts. Granted I just learned to play blackjack about six days of casino play back. (I work in a math based occupation so numbers come naturally to me) I used to play craps.

But to answer your question directly I don't have my EV calculated yet - I'm using HiOpt2 with A side count. (I posted here elsewhere for some help finding charts for betting levels for this system).

Thanks So Much Blackjack Gurus
dawinnaatlozins
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March 30th, 2021 at 3:57:31 PM permalink
i know exactly when to play a single deck 6:5 table but id never ever divulge the conditions on here you better off buying cvcx like everyone else :P
ChumpChange
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March 30th, 2021 at 4:25:48 PM permalink
I might have a daily win goal of 10 units on the passline, and 6:5 BJ, while I'd have a 20 unit win goal on regular BJ without counting cards.
HiOpt2Poor
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March 31st, 2021 at 11:06:59 PM permalink
Where do I buy cvcx??
DogHand
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April 1st, 2021 at 9:43:02 AM permalink
Quote: HiOpt2Poor

Where do I buy cvcx??



HiOpt2Poor,

CVCX is one of the BJ software programs developed by Norm W:

https://qfit.com/blackjack-simulation.htm

This software pays for itself hundreds of times over... I know.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand
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