kewlj
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August 21st, 2020 at 3:49:32 PM permalink
I thought there was a thread talking about blackjack or casino conditions or changes after the shutdown, but I could not find it so, I decided to start a thread on the new stadium blackjack that is popping up all over.

Stadium blackjack taking over for real felt, blackjack games has been a concern of mine for a couple years now. And during the shutdown, I commented that I believed this situation would only speed that up. Shortly after re-opening Stations casinos announced stadium blackjack (and roulette) sections at all 6 of their casinos that were open. I have also seen one or two other new stadium blackjack sections at casinos that I failed to note.

Today I was on the northern part of the strip and discovered 2 more. Circus Circus, used to have two gaming sections, on the lower level and then a second just up 5 stairs on the main floor. They have removed the second of those gaming area and when I was there today on a Friday afternoon, the first table area was completely closed except for about 20 newly opened stadium blackjack and roulettes terminals. This is EXACTLY what I was in fear of.

Next I headed to Treasure Island. They have not 1 but 2 new stadium blackjack and roulette sections. They did still have one pit open that had 2 blackjack games and 1 crap table.

Overall, definite signs of stadium blackjack replacing tradition felt blackjack games just as I feared. :-(
racquet
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August 21st, 2020 at 4:14:11 PM permalink
I saw Stadium Blackjack when it first showed up in the east at Mohegan CT. The thing that I thought mitigated against it had nothing to do with the game of blackjack, but rather with the interaction among the people you were with when sitting at a console, looking down, conscious of having to complete a wager and the following actions (hit, stand, double...) in a fixed time. It's not a game to be played while socializing. There's no time. Engage in a conversation and you miss the time slot that's been given to you to bet or play. How many people do you see gathered around a slot machine? All the table games, including craps and roulette, allow for group interaction. Not Stadium.

But how conducive to social interaction are table games today? With barriers between every player? With limited seating? Masks making it difficult to converse with your friends? "Felt" games have changed drastically in six months, such that the attraction of sitting at a felt table has disappeared. The significant social differences between felt as it exists today and Stadium no longer exist. I always considered any Stadium game as nothing more than another form of video gaming - slot machines for table games.

Stadium is cheaper to staff, all that a "dealer" needs to know is how to recognize between a green light and a red one, there are no mistakes in payouts or buy-ins, and tracking players is inherent in the way they have to interact with the machine - coin in - coin out. No AP, no possible +EV.

Until the social enticements of felt tables return, Stadium is going to be the way it is. On top of everything else, "real" blackjack is currently being played, everywhere, at 50% capacity per table. All things being equal with regard to traffic, volume, average bet, and everything else from a year ago, income is exactly one half of what it was.
ChumpChange
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August 21st, 2020 at 4:38:25 PM permalink
Nobody is gonna stop you from counting cards at stadium blackjack. Bet whack, who cares.
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Romes
August 21st, 2020 at 5:29:53 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I thought there was a thread talking about blackjack or casino conditions or changes after the shutdown, but I could not find it so, I decided to start a thread on the new stadium blackjack that is popping up all over.

Stadium blackjack taking over for real felt, blackjack games has been a concern of mine for a couple years now. And during the shutdown, I commented that I believed this situation would only speed that up. Shortly after re-opening Stations casinos announced stadium blackjack (and roulette) sections at all 6 of their casinos that were open. I have also seen one or two other new stadium blackjack sections at casinos that I failed to note.

Today I was on the northern part of the strip and discovered 2 more. Circus Circus, used to have two gaming sections, on the lower level and then a second just up 5 stairs on the main floor. They have removed the second of those gaming area and when I was there today on a Friday afternoon, the first table area was completely closed except for about 20 newly opened stadium blackjack and roulettes terminals. This is EXACTLY what I was in fear of.

Next I headed to Treasure Island. They have not 1 but 2 new stadium blackjack and roulette sections. They did still have one pit open that had 2 blackjack games and 1 crap table.

Overall, definite signs of stadium blackjack replacing tradition felt blackjack games just as I feared. :-(

that's why you should always be diversifying, that way when something does change you are ahead of the curve, among other reasons as well.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
sabre
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August 21st, 2020 at 6:31:32 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Nobody is gonna stop you from counting cards at stadium blackjack. Bet whack, who cares.



Please list all the stadium bj games you've seen that aren't dealt from csm.
kewlj
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August 21st, 2020 at 7:03:15 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

that's why you should always be diversifying, that way when something does change you are ahead of the curve, among other reasons as well.



Point taken.
Romes
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August 31st, 2020 at 9:07:44 PM permalink
I don't think stadium will ever completely kill off tables... Well, let me adjust that to say "in my lifetime." Eventually everything will be automated, but the old school of the world will demand real cards, chips, and dealers.
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charliepatrick
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August 31st, 2020 at 11:43:46 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

I don't think stadium will ever completely kill off tables... Well, let me adjust that to say "in my lifetime." Eventually everything will be automated, but the old school of the world will demand real cards, chips, and dealers.

One thing that has taken off during the lockdown is online bridge. It's much quicker, basically because slow players are timed out and bots play the hand out. Also you can't revoke, bid out of turn, etc. I now play every week with someone who lives miles away. It does seem you get more interesting hands, especially during the daily bot challenge events.

One thing lockdown has shown is the acceptance of social get togethers, virtual beer festivals etc. Also things like zoom meeting are now common place. So I can see one way to go is for casinos to offer social tables where you can play with your friends. I'm not sure what it means for bricks and mortar casinos but know that pubs which have reopened, with good social distancing or outside areas, have done very well.

I have seen a few electronic tables. A few years ago I played one with UTH - you still got real cards (except the computer knew what they were through a card reader on the shoe). It certainly helped the game payouts and at the end you cashed out for real chips.
Minty
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September 1st, 2020 at 12:36:44 AM permalink
It's really a shame that CSMs are used for the games. Would be nice to have these as an option in addition to regular blackjack. I agree that it's unlikely they'd totally replace blackjack tables. It wouldn't make sense for many casinos to do it. They are a good short term fix for some places though.
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kewlj
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September 1st, 2020 at 8:16:00 AM permalink
It's not that stadium blackjack is going to replace or kill off ALL traditional blackjack games. I think it will effect the lower limit games....your $10 and $15 games. Being a $25 and $50 table minimum player, it might not effect me for a while, although I could see stadium blackjack eventually replacing $25 games.

But even at killing off the lower limit games will effect me. Some of those players may gravitate to $25 minimum rather than play the stadium blackjack and that could make for worse conditions for me (more crowded, slower game).

Here is Vegas despite the influx of new stadium blackjack games, I don't see many people playing them. Usually almost all terminals are empty. It could just be because it is new to some of these locations. When I visit Pennsylvania, Windcreek (formally sands), which I haven't done since thanksgiving, the stadium blackjack is packed with players and their stadium blackjack can seat over 50 players.

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