Ramond
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November 18th, 2010 at 4:03:51 AM permalink
Hello Wizard,

There are a lot of online live casino's that offer blackjack, but one of the best casino's in my opinion is Unibet because of the perfect graphics and nice dealers.

Unfortunately, the rules are not really in favour of the player.. in fact I believe the house edge is relatively high.
This are the rules:

8 deck-card game with cutting card on +/- 50 to 75% of the game.
Dealer stands on soft 17
Dealer uses hole card but only peeks when he has an ace.
When the dealers has a 10, you lose your total (doubled or splitted) bet when the dealer has BJ.
BJ pays 3:2
Player can double any 2 cards
DAS is NOT allowed
Resplitting is NOT allowed (also aces can not be re-splitted)
Player can not hit splitted aces

Is it possible to calculate the house edge by using basic strategy?

And a second question. What is the effect of card couting in this game. I think it does not make any significant difference because of the 8 decks and early cutting card.

Looking forward to your post!
weaselman
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November 18th, 2010 at 5:12:32 AM permalink
You did not say if surrender is allowed. If it is, the house edge is 0.564%, if not, then it is 0.662% (I calculated it for infinite decks, it should not be too much different for 8).
"50-75%" is a very wide range. While 50% is early, 75% is pretty good. I suspect, you are underestimating the low end, and overestimating the high end. The reality is, probably, around 67%, which is more or less standard.
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
Jufo81
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November 18th, 2010 at 5:15:23 AM permalink
Quote: Ramond

Hello Wizard,

There are a lot of online live casino's that offer blackjack, but one of the best casino's in my opinion is Unibet because of the perfect graphics and nice dealers.

Unfortunately, the rules are not really in favour of the player.. in fact I believe the house edge is relatively high.
This are the rules:

8 deck-card game with cutting card on +/- 50 to 75% of the game.
Dealer stands on soft 17
Dealer uses hole card but only peeks when he has an ace.
When the dealers has a 10, you lose your total (doubled or splitted) bet when the dealer has BJ.
BJ pays 3:2
Player can double any 2 cards
DAS is NOT allowed
Resplitting is NOT allowed (also aces can not be re-splitted)
Player can not hit splitted aces

Is it possible to calculate the house edge by using basic strategy?



Yes, simply putting the rules into calculator shows 0.71% house edge under following strategy:

http://www.beatingbonuses.com/bjstrategy.php?decks=8&soft17=stand&doubleon=any2cards&surrender=no&peek=ace&btn=Calculate

Quote: Ramond


And a second question. What is the effect of card couting in this game. I think it does not make any significant difference because of the 8 decks and early cutting card.

Looking forward to your post!



Here are my experiences counting this game:
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/online/1407-live-blackjack-online-gambling/3/#post37958
Jufo81
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November 18th, 2010 at 5:18:30 AM permalink
Quote: weaselman

You did not say if surrender is allowed. If it is, the house edge is 0.564%, if not, then it is 0.662% (I calculated it for infinite decks, it should not be too much different for 8).
"50-75%" is a very wide range. While 50% is early, 75% is pretty good. I suspect, you are underestimating the low end, and overestimating the high end. The reality is, probably, around 67%, which is more or less standard.



Surrender is not allowed there. And the cut card is always at 50%. I know because I counted the shoe many times.
weaselman
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November 18th, 2010 at 5:23:22 AM permalink
Quote: Jufo81


Yes, simply putting the rules into calculator shows 0.71% house edge under following strategy:


Ah, yeah, I forgot about not peaking on 10. 0.71% is right if no surrender is allowed.
"When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary"
Ramond
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November 18th, 2010 at 7:43:25 AM permalink
Thank you all for your answers. Yes, I forgot to say surrendering is not allowed.

I counted a few times and sometimes they shuffle on 52%-55% of the shoe, very early in my opinion.
And beside that, when I counted I saw a lot of card-clumbing. Sometimes it's raining aces and 10's over and over again, and sometimes you count that a lot of small cards allready are out of the shoe but it still keeps raining low cards.
Maybe they don't shuffle that good...?

Anyway, I played a few times on this live casino and o my god... you see players do incredible stupid thinks like stand on soft 17's against high dealer cards, splitting 10-ens and only double when they have 11.
Some people where very angry at me when I hitted on 16 against high dealer cards. No, they don't understand basic strategy there (also on the high-limit tables).

Well, thanks again and I suggest 'Wonging' can lower the house edge a little, little bit.. but then again, what about that card clumbing?

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