basic strategy
August 23rd, 2019 at 4:27:11 AM
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shouldnt basic stragegy be adjusted according to the count because we all know BS is assuming the whole card is a face card
how is doubling your 10 against a 6 the right move if the count is extremely low?
how is doubling your 10 against a 6 the right move if the count is extremely low?
August 23rd, 2019 at 6:50:38 AM
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Quote: patrick.simoneshouldnt basic stragegy be adjusted according to the count because we all know BS is assuming the whole card is a face card
how is doubling your 10 against a 6 the right move if the count is extremely low?
First welcome to the forum.
Basic strategy does NOT assume that the hole card is a face card. It is developed by weighting the probabilities of the hole card being all possible values.
Basic strategy refers to the strategy that is optimal based on a player's knowledge of the cards he has been dealt and the dealer's face-up card (and the knowledge that the dealer has peeked at the hidden card if the face-up card is an Ace or Ten). There are "Advanced Strategies" that go beyond Basic Strategy that seek to take advantage of other available information at a table -any other cards that are visible during the hand and during previous hands from the same shoe, what other players are doing during the hand, etc. . However, the vast majority of players do not keep track of other cards and need a "basic strategy."
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August 23rd, 2019 at 6:57:35 AM
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"The Count" is a magical, mystical figure that is thought by some to actually exist. It is worshipped, caressed, fondled when the floor is not looking too closely, talked about incessantly and from time to time it is actually used by an occasional player, usually a drunken one with an overly active imagination.
ALL players are free to adjust Basic Strategy at any time
Those who stop arguing about the count seem to enjoy the game more.
ALL players are free to adjust Basic Strategy at any time
Those who stop arguing about the count seem to enjoy the game more.
August 23rd, 2019 at 7:08:03 AM
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Why would someone use basic strategy if they were counting? The whole point of counting is to use a dynamic strategy based on the count. That dynamic strategy is not basic...
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August 23rd, 2019 at 7:11:21 AM
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Not the whole point. There’s bet sizing, which contributes more to any player advantage than basic strategy deviations.Quote: rdw4potusWhy would someone use basic strategy if they were counting? The whole point of counting is to use a dynamic strategy based on the count. That dynamic strategy is not basic...
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August 23rd, 2019 at 7:23:41 AM
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If you take a look at Wiz's BJ Hi-Lo counting page you can see a list of the top 18 variations from BS based on the count (Illustrious 18).Quote: patrick.simoneshouldnt basic stragegy be adjusted according to the count
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August 23rd, 2019 at 7:28:36 AM
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Quote: unJonNot the whole point. There’s bet sizing, which contributes more to any player advantage than basic strategy deviations.
I guess I would consider flat betting the minimum to be part of basic strategy, but I concede that's a debatable item.
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August 23rd, 2019 at 8:23:43 AM
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These guys who are coming on here posting about complicated counts and varying your hit/stand with the count aren't even gambling just sitting at home commenting.
Just use a basic count and stick to basic strategy if you keep track of that flawlessly you're far ahead of the game. A method that you actually Remember and execute perfectly is what works. Really what EXACTLY dropped in the last ten to twenty or so cards is as important as the count anyway, and that's something that these guys who post about complicated play books don't even consider - because they're not even playing. When I've cleared mid to high five digit wins at BJ it has always been more about jumping the bet all the way to table limit based on the last ten to twenty cards than the exact true count. The rationale to jump the bet that much doesn't arise solely from the count.
Just use a basic count and stick to basic strategy if you keep track of that flawlessly you're far ahead of the game. A method that you actually Remember and execute perfectly is what works. Really what EXACTLY dropped in the last ten to twenty or so cards is as important as the count anyway, and that's something that these guys who post about complicated play books don't even consider - because they're not even playing. When I've cleared mid to high five digit wins at BJ it has always been more about jumping the bet all the way to table limit based on the last ten to twenty cards than the exact true count. The rationale to jump the bet that much doesn't arise solely from the count.
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August 23rd, 2019 at 11:40:38 AM
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Quote: patrick.simoneshouldnt basic stragegy be adjusted according to the count because we all know BS is assuming the whole card is a face card
how is doubling your 10 against a 6 the right move if the count is extremely low?
Basic Strategy doesn't change, it's correct at the top of the deck/shoe.
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August 23rd, 2019 at 12:57:58 PM
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LOL.Quote: patrick.simonewe all know BS is assuming the whole card is a face card
not many know that in this world, and many have NO CLUE as to what Basic Strategy is...
but at Blackjack tables one will hear that (figure hole card is a 10) many, many times, even from the Dealers, and come to the conclusion it must be true.
It ain't so
the whole card is way more likely to be a 2 thru 6
than a 10 value card (face cards and 10 cards)
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August 23rd, 2019 at 8:08:41 PM
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If the hole card were always a ten, the player would have an advantage, mostly from insurance. The basic strategy would be:
2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | TEN | ACE | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
soft21 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | INS. |
soft20 | STAND | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | INS. |
soft19 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | STAND | STAND | STAND | SUR. | INS. |
soft18 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | STAND | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
soft17 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | hit | INS. |
soft16 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | hit | INS. |
soft15 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | hit | INS. |
soft14 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | hit | INS. |
soft13 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | hit | INS. |
hard21 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | INS. |
hard20 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | INS. |
hard19 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | SUR. | INS. |
hard18 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | SUR. | SUR. | INS. |
hard17 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | hit | SUR. | SUR. | INS. |
hard16 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | hit | hit | SUR. | SUR. | INS. |
hard15 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | hit | hit | SUR. | SUR. | INS. |
hard14 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | hit | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
hard13 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | hit | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
hard12 | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | hit | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
hard11 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | hit | INS. |
hard10 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | hit | INS. |
hard9 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
hard8 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
hard7 | hit | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
hard6 | hit | hit | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
hard5 | hit | hit | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
hard4 | hit | hit | hit | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
pair10 | STAND | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | STAND | STAND | STAND | STAND | INS. |
pair9 | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | STAND | SPLIT | SPLIT | SUR. | INS. |
pair8 | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SUR. | SUR. | INS. |
pair7 | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
pair6 | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
pair5 | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | DBL | hit | hit | hit | hit | INS. |
pair4 | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | hit | hit | hit | SUR. | INS. |
pair3 | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | hit | SUR. | INS. |
pair2 | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | hit | SUR. | INS. |
pairA | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | SPLIT | hit | hit | hit | hit | INS. |
August 23rd, 2019 at 10:37:01 PM
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I keep losing when the count is positive. Maybe I haven't played enough shoes, maybe the computer program hates me.
August 24th, 2019 at 12:55:36 AM
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You can indeed keep losing when the count is positive, The edge is tiny at best and if you are not modifying your play and betting patterns ( eg using insurance) it's quite insignificant.Quote: ChumpChangeI keep losing when the count is positive. Maybe I haven't played enough shoes, maybe the computer program hates me.
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August 24th, 2019 at 4:10:54 AM
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If somebody has absolutely no idea how to play Blackjack and they need a crash course and how to play for whatever reason. If they assume the dealer always has a ten underneath and the next card coming out is a 10, but you must stand on 17 or higher, using that theory will go a long way.
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August 24th, 2019 at 7:38:36 AM
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Five of thirteen cards have a value of ten or eleven. If the dealer has sixteen or less, he must hit.
What are the chances that any three card hand will not contain a ten or an Ace?
Assuming a dealer has or will draw a ten is not a horrible plan for new players.
What are the chances that any three card hand will not contain a ten or an Ace?
Assuming a dealer has or will draw a ten is not a horrible plan for new players.
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August 25th, 2019 at 1:28:53 AM
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I disagree : there are some simple strategies for people to try when starting out.Quote: AxelWolfIf somebody has absolutely no idea how to play Blackjack and they need a crash course and how to play for whatever reason. If they assume the dealer always has a ten underneath and the next card coming out is a 10, but you must stand on 17 or higher, using that theory will go a long way.
For instance it is important to keeping going until 17 against high cards and, by and large, stand on 12 or more against low cards.
A simple rule for doubling 9-11 is to do so with a point advantage.
Splitting pairs, always As and 8s and split A 2 3 6 7 8 9 against low cards.
This isn;t 100% correct but is a good place to start.
October 7th, 2019 at 7:17:37 PM
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Or, you could just learn BS. It's not that hard dude.
March 14th, 2020 at 8:08:15 AM
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I would not otherwise comment, but I keep seeing this over and over on these threads. That would be a "hole" card, not a "whole" card. The two words are homonyms and using the wrong one would cause your English teacher to make red marks on your paper. Believe me I know; had freshman English three times.
March 14th, 2020 at 8:36:45 AM
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I can understand your reference to the OP's use of "whole" rather than "hole" for the term "hole card". It's possible English is not the OP's first language or it was just a typo. Personally I have not seen the mistake "over and over" again.
In case the OP's language isn't their first language:
Whole usually means entire, all of it, complete; for instance "the man ate the whole pizza".
Hole has various meanings but in Blackjack land the term "hole card" refers to the second card the dealer receives which usually remains face down until all the players have acted.
In case the OP's language isn't their first language:
Whole usually means entire, all of it, complete; for instance "the man ate the whole pizza".
Hole has various meanings but in Blackjack land the term "hole card" refers to the second card the dealer receives which usually remains face down until all the players have acted.
March 14th, 2020 at 9:15:57 AM
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A much more common mistake is lose and loose. Especially among people who may not speak English as their first language.
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