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January 18th, 2019 at 5:19:10 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

"Which podcast? I never listened to any podcast or claimed that I did."

Your words.



Check... and mate.
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January 18th, 2019 at 7:34:17 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

"Which podcast? I never listened to any podcast or claimed that I did."

Your words.



Give him the benefit of the doubt. ZK isn't a dishonest guy, imo. It's quite possible he misunderstood the discussion, or there was some confusion or whatever.

Moreover, whether he listened to the pod or not isn't really relevant to the issue at hand.

To answer earlier Qs, ZK's position (which I think is wrong) seems to be that YES NV statute allows for you to be arrested if you return.

However, NV statute and the constitution both stipulate that we have other rights, not explicitly stated. And according to Common Law, those rights include the right to enter any public space, including public-facing businesses. So the owner cannot bar us unless we have committed a crime or have been disorderly on the premises.

However, among other things, none of the judges in Slade give any indication this is their belief. For example, they explicitly state that a purveyor of amusements can bar a customer for "no reason."
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January 18th, 2019 at 8:20:13 AM permalink
You are right in that ZK is not dishonest. What exasperated me was the fact that Bob N explained the case and that ZK heard and commented on it.

ZK to me by the pattern of his postings believe that casinos are operating a conspiracy against him, be it the cards, patterns of shuffling during the holidays when he was down 4SD short term, or that sporting teams manipulate results to upset the results, particularly on a bet that ZK thinks she should have won (and there are threads to back all of this up).

In this case, ZK is giving advice that is false: that casinos do not have the right to charge you with trespassing after being read the trespass "statute". The end result is that would be APs actually do get charged after following advice that does not reflect the legal precedence set in Slade.

At least the 6:5 conspiracy is debunked: 6/5 was ubiquitous in Vegas before then Slade decision and that decision did not change that.

Audacity.
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ZenKinG
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January 18th, 2019 at 7:10:15 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

"Which podcast? I never listened to any podcast or claimed that I did."

Your words.



Yea and what did I start out by saying? What is it a question or a statement? I ASKED which podcast he was referring to and then because I could not remember exqctly what he was referring to, which ended to be a thread from 10 MONTHS ago, why do you think i claimed I never listened to anything because I didnt remember what he was referring to. Also like I said, what does listening or not listeninf to the podcast have anything to do with the iswue at hand. It's not like my position has ever changed on this so what is the point about arguing this and not taking my word. You guys are ridiculous and in trying my hardest to stay within the rules to not insult you guys.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 18th, 2019 at 7:22:38 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

You are right in that ZK is not dishonest. What exasperated me was the fact that Bob N explained the case and that ZK heard and commented on it.

ZK to me by the pattern of his postings believe that casinos are operating a conspiracy against him, be it the cards, patterns of shuffling during the holidays when he was down 4SD short term, or that sporting teams manipulate results to upset the results, particularly on a bet that ZK thinks she should have won (and there are threads to back all of this up).

In this case, ZK is giving advice that is false: that casinos do not have the right to charge you with trespassing after being read the trespass "statute". The end result is that would be APs actually do get charged after following advice that does not reflect the legal precedence set in Slade.

At least the 6:5 conspiracy is debunked: 6/5 was ubiquitous in Vegas before then Slade decision and that decision did not change that.

Audacity.



Why were you exasperated by me commenting on it, i dont get what youre trying to say? Just because a lawyer tells his side of the story, that makes it true and you expect me to agree with it? If I got a nickel for every lawers public opinion on what something means and what it ACTUALLY means,, id be a very rich man.

Sorry, but what we have now are TWO separate decisions that SPECIFICALLY say a casino cannot trespass you without GOOD CAUSE(Disruptive or disorderly conduct) and then you have one decision that never specifically addresses what they can and cannot do but leave the exceptions out there for you to figure out what he means. That decision says they can exclude you for any reason UNLESS it's discriminatory 'OR' OTHERWISE UNLAWFUL. Not JUST discriminatory reasons, but also for anything OTHERWISE UNLAWFUL. I suggest you use that head of yours with something called a brain that's attached to to your neck to put two and two together amd figure out what OTHERWISE UNLAWFUL actually means, because hes not just talkng about discriminatory reasons or else he WOULDNT have bothered to make a DISTINCTION between the two.

It's the same wifh NRS 463.0129, why does the legislature carefully make the distinctiom between EJECT and EXCLUDE when mentioning certain activities? Why 'eject' from the 'premises' but ONLY 'exclude' from 'gaming activities'? Why not just say exclude from EVERYTHING? Why else do you think the police always tell the casinos before they arrest an AP, did you give them a chance to leave? Because if they dont leave, it now becomes a DISRUPTIVE and DISORDERLY offense that is chargeable for trespassing.

Regarding 6-5, youre right, it wasnt because of the Slade decision, it happened shortly after the very specific Thomas Robertson decision on what casinos can and cannot do LOL. Thanks for further strengthening my point.

Glad I can clear up all the minsinformation again.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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January 18th, 2019 at 7:23:30 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Yea and what did I start out by saying? What is it a question or a statement? I ASKED which podcast he was referring to and then because I could not remember exqctly what he was referring to, which ended to be a thread from 10 MONTHS ago, why do you think i claimed I never listened to anything because I didnt remember what he was referring to. Also like I said, what does listening or not listeninf to the podcast have anything to do with the iswue at hand. It's not like my position has ever changed on this so what is the point about arguing this and not taking my word. You guys are ridiculous and in trying my hardest to stay within the rules to not insult you guys.




Any progress on “Owning” the casinos or “Making them pay”?

I understand a few are still laughing about your boasts.
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January 18th, 2019 at 7:31:37 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Any progress on “Owning” the casinos or “Making them pay”?

I understand a few are still laughing about your boasts.



He's been busy studying up on the branches of Government. I do like how he's been able to stay civil lately.


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