FINAL Shout out
Quote: DRichIf you made $16,000 in a year and a half that is about $30 per day. Wow, your system really does work. I can't believe that I doubted you.
He does it part-time so I imagine some days he may make $60. Possibly more...
Quote: ZenKinG
FYI, im not in the negative and im up 16k in Vegas after 410 hours, so nice try. Flat broke? LOL. Yea i sure am flat broke with 50k and no debt without a handout from anyone and a car still worth about 7.5k that is paid off. .
You said you had 61k when you got there. Is the cost of living outpacing your card counting profits?
I recall that you make extra income from participating in Donkey Kong tournaments. Maybe you should focus more on that career as video games are less likely to be corrupted.
Quote: DRichIf you made $16,000 in a year and a half that is about $30 per day. Wow, your system really does work. I can't believe that I doubted you.
Lol. He's the greatest. Things he could have done for the same money:
Babysitter
Thrift store resales
Panhandling
Street costume character
Porn slapper
Ultimate X vulture
Fountain diving
Can and bottle recycling
ZCore13
Quote: ZenKinGHey idiots, customer Service 101, the customer is always right and yet they feel like they can just go say to play somewhere else?
Yes, because that's not what "the customer is always right" means. It means that if you run a casino, you're going to offer casino games, because that's what customers want from a casino. They don't want to go to a casino to play Monopoly, or have their car washed. I work in a retail environment, and we've told customers to take their business elsewhere if they're being difficult for some reason.
If a business, especially a well-established and well-regulated one like a casino, is doing something a specific way, then that means they have probably figured out that that specific thing maximizes their profits, even if it risks alienating certain customers for one reason or another. You're talking about customer service 101, but you should also be looking at economics 101.
Furthermore, you claim to be an AP, so if you've found out the casinos are cheating, and also how they're cheating, you should be exploiting it to make money, not coming on here to complain about it.
Quote: Zcore13Lol. He's the greatest. Things he could have done for the same money:
Babysitter
Thrift store resales
Panhandling
Street costume character
Porn slapper
Ultimate X vulture
Fountain diving
Can and bottle recycling
ZCore13
I think you missed Walgreens cashier.
More irony in the fact that Nathan gets more FP in a week than ZK has in 18 months as a “FT AP”.
Quote: Zcore13Lol. He's the greatest. Things he could have done for the same money:
Babysitter
Thrift store resales
Panhandling
Street costume character
Porn slapper
Ultimate X vulture
Fountain diving
Can and bottle recycling
ZCore13
I found this amazing +EV opportunity that has earned me almost $100k in the last 1.5 years.
I go to work.
I don't think casinos necessarily cheat as in they pull out tens/aces on purpose, but this is prime real estate to set that opportunity up down the road. Complacency will do that. Even without them doing it on purpose, you can still end up getting the short end of the stick if the deck is shorted on accident and it wasn't purposely done, like what happened at SugarHouse or wherever that happened recently.
Quote: RSOne thing that's kind of funny and this literally happens in every "ZK thread" is that no one can really put up a good argument against what ZK is saying, other than saying negative things about his success as a card counter (or lack thereof). Maybe I missed it, but I haven't yet seen anyone say anything about how a casino verifies every card that is supposed to be in play, is in play.
What "argument" is he making? He's just ranting about how he doesn't like how the casino industry is run. Nobody is disagreeing with his basic facts, i.e., casinos use preshuffled cards.
It's pretty obvious to all that this just isn't working out for him. It's just a matter of how badly it ends.
It might be time for Plan B. Or Plan C.
There is nothing wrong with changing course. It took me 15 years of struggling before my " overnight" success.
This is just more barking up the wrong tree (remember his many other false alarms) and grandstanding.
ZCore13
Quote: billryanAfter a year and a half, he coulda been a shift leader at Mickey Ds.
It's pretty obvious to all that this just isn't working out for him. It's just a matter of how badly it ends.
It might be time for Plan B. Or Plan C.
There is nothing wrong with changing course. It took me 15 years of struggling before my " overnight" success.
Maybe you could offer him your tutelage?
I'm pretty sure ZenKing is perfectly fine with the path he is following. No matter what path he is on he would be seen as wrong, by many. That's the price you pay for not being droned out.
Quote: MaxPenMaybe you could offer him your tutelage?
I'm pretty sure ZenKing is perfectly fine with the path he is following.
It takes a special love and passion for ones craft to be perfectly fine at 16k income over a year and a half.
I admire and respect those who obviously aren’t in their chosen field for the money. Especially card counters.
Quote: michael99000It takes a special love and passion for ones craft to be perfectly fine at 16k income over a year and a half.
I admire and respect those who obviously aren’t in their chosen field for the money. Especially card counters.
Everyone keeps focusing on the money. Not sure why. He only dedicates a very limited amount of hours to the pursuit. His $40 an hour rate is pretty typical for his betting levels. Obviously, he has other interests and pursuits consuming his other time. The average net worth of a mid twenty something male is $9,000.00. ZK has 6-7x that on his own terms and doesn't have to go to a droned out job everyday.
Quote: MaxPenEveryone keeps focusing on the money. Not sure why. He only dedicates a very limited amount of hours to the pursuit. His $40 an hour rate is pretty typical for his betting levels. Obviously, he has other interests and pursuits consuming his other time. The average net worth of a mid twenty something male is $9,000.00. ZK has 6-7x that on his own terms and doesn't have to go to a droned out job everyday.
I'm pretty sure his $40 an hour (probably exagerated) only includes actual play time. Include looking for games, backcounting and other time grabbers and he's probably far less.
Then assume he has no health, dental or vision insurance, no paid time off, no 401k. It's not good.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Then assume he has no health, dental or vision insurance, no paid time off, no 401k. It's not good.
ZCore13
That's why he refers to you as being droned out. None of that stuff existed 150 years ago and people survived. I wonder how?
Quote: MaxPenThat's why he refers to you as being droned out. None of that stuff existed 150 years ago and people survived. I wonder how?
Yup. When the life expectancy was about 50
I can only find stats back to 1900, but "In 1900, the expectation for white men was to live to age 47" : "An African American man born in 1900 was only expected to live until the age of 33"Quote: MaxPenThat's why he refers to you as being droned out. None of that stuff existed 150 years ago and people survived. I wonder how?
Still, they had a much better quality of life.
Quote: OnceDearI can only find stats back to 1900, but "In 1900, the expectation for white men was to live to age 47" : "An African American man born in 1900 was only expected to live until the age of 33"
Still, they had a much better quality of life.
In the early 1900's something like 10% of the population didn't make it past the age of 1. Now the numbers are in the single digits per thousand or something like that. Also, critical emergency care is readily available compared to years ago. The insurance industry has done nothing magical to increase people's life span. People today are actually much worse off today due to being drugged by big pharma. Take off your drone hat😀
When you take off your tinfoil hat $:o)Quote: MaxPenTake of your drone hat😀
Quote: OnceDearWhen you take off your tinfoil hat $:o)
Tinfoil hats amplify certain frequencies allowing the Government easier access to read your mind. The wearing of tinfoil hats was propagated by secret government agencies in order to streamline citizen data collection. The idea was developed and administered by the FCC. Because I am not a droned out sheeple I never fell for that scam. I prefer to wear a silver-foil hat.
Quote: PokerGrinderZK you seem to think you have it all figured out but you don’t. You have 50k to your name, I applaud you. You live in disgusting monthly rentals, you complain more about casinos than time you spend counting. You keep talking about how smart you are and how you have all this money but what are you doing with it? You play 8 hours of BJ a month and mock people who make a living and enjoy their lives. Are you happy? Do you enjoy your life cause it sure doesn’t seem like you do. I have no boss, I live a comfortable life, I travel wherever I want and I have a gf and family who loves me. I’d say you should focus more on being happy than figuring out how to stick it to every casino or sports league that’s out to get you.
Love doesnt exist. Relationships, especially young rrlationships anywhere from 19-35 are nothing but fake love, but even the ones after that are all fake love. Each party really only loves what makes 'themselves' happy and what the other party does that makes 'themselves' feel good about being with them and what 'they' can get out of it even if they wont admit it or maybe without them even realizing it.
You want proof of that? Lets say a man or a woman in a relationship god forbid lost their leg or their arm got amputated. How many of these wonderful lovely relationships would stay together or faithful to one another? How often would the other party leave the relationship because of that catastrophic event and go find someone else with whatever excuse they give their partner for leaving? If they dont leave because they have kids to take care of etc, how often do you think they cheat on their beloved partner who just had that catastrophic event? Go ahead and tell me after thinking clearly about that. It's all about fulfilling their own needs. Think about every relationship you know right now amongst your friends, especially the young relationships.
The only people who truly love you unconditionally is our parents, excluding the obvious parents who are mentally unstable and leave their kids once theyre born. Thats obviously the exception, but the parents who actually stick with you, love you forever regardless of what happens. That never happens in a relationship. They stick together for their own egotistical reasons whether they realize it or not. Not to mention, I didnt even get into the divorce rates as well even if something doesnt catastrophic doesnt happen. So much for love. When divorce rates are higher than staying together, that tells you all you need to know as well.
Quote: OnceDearWhen you take off your tinfoil hat $:o)
Quote: Zcore13I'm sure the Nevada Gaming Commission has been to the different card factories and approved the process to allow pre-shuffled decks. They are standard decks that are certified by machine before being boxed and then shuffled. I'd trust a machine as much or more than a dealer review. If you watch dealers, they barely look at the cards. I guarantee I could sneak a card out and not have the dealer catch it. It's why when I verified cards, after looking at the fronts, I would count the cards as I verified the backs. I had a manager that would take a card out to try and catch dealers when I started as a dealer.
This is just more barking up the wrong tree (remember his many other false alarms) and grandstanding.
ZCore13
You're 'sure' they've been to the card factories? You cant be serious. So you're not definite? You're just sure? And youre a higher level manager in this industry? What the hell is going on here. Honestly. You then mentioning 'trusting' dealers missing a card. When was it ever about trusting dealers? Dont try to add your agenda based spin. Its not about the dealers, its about the transparency. The customer gets to see every single card. The cards are spread up face up for SURVEILLANCE to monitor it and have proof of tape if a card was ever missing for further review whether it's the GCB ot whomever. That's what having cards come in order and face up for EVERYONE to see 'does'. This has nothing to do with trust about a dealer not inspecting it properly. Holy crap, guess I was right all along about the people who work for the casinos. What a coincidence.
I suggest you tidy up and get ready for work, your corrupt indian boss is calling. I also dont understand why you type so much on here. Shouldnt you and your little indian friends be illegally stealing someones chips and not paying them because they add +1 and -1 in their heads?
Quote: TigerWuWhat "argument" is he making? He's just ranting about how he doesn't like how the casino industry is run. Nobody is disagreeing with his basic facts, i.e., casinos use preshuffled cards.
Thanks for making my point that no one actually reads the threads or that everyone has serious reading comprehension issues.
Quote: Zcore13Lol. He's the greatest. Things he could have done for the same money:
Babysitter
Thrift store resales
Panhandling
Street costume character
Porn slapper
Ultimate X vulture
Fountain diving
Can and bottle recycling
ZCore13
Oh look another agenda based droned out response from our wonderful Zcore. He states the 'money' ive made but carefully and subtly forgets to mention the hours Ive played. Wow what a coincidence. Hey Zcore go ahead and tell me if any of those jobs can make 16k in 410 hours. Ill wait. Just like Ive been waiting for evidence of how the Palms verifies the cards with a preshuffled pack with NO ASM as well as the evidence refuting the ability of a casino to trespass you for counting cards.
Keep trying to attack my character and success when you ha e no other defenses. Typical of someone who is beat.
Quote: Zcore13I'm sure the Nevada Gaming Commission has been to the different card factories and approved the process to allow pre-shuffled decks. They are standard decks that are certified by machine before being boxed and then shuffled. I'd trust a machine as much or more than a dealer review. If you watch dealers, they barely look at the cards. I guarantee I could sneak a card out and not have the dealer catch it. It's why when I verified cards, after looking at the fronts, I would count the cards as I verified the backs. I had a manager that would take a card out to try and catch dealers when I started as a dealer.
This is just more barking up the wrong tree (remember his many other false alarms) and grandstanding.
ZCore13
I was a manager who used to take a card out when giving the deck to the dealer to check. It was usually the 7 of Clubs. One dealer looked through the deck 3 times, each time I said that there was a card missing. He finally said that he was 100% sure they were all there. He was willing to bet his badge on it. I produced the missing card, and there was dead silence.
Quote: FCBLComishI was a manager who used to take a card out when giving the deck to the dealer to check. It was usually the 7 of Clubs. One dealer looked through the deck 3 times, each time I said that there was a card missing. He finally said that he was 100% sure they were all there. He was willing to bet his badge on it. I produced the missing card, and there was dead silence.
So Mr. Manager, maybe you can answer my question. What safeguards are in place for a table that has pre shuffled cards and NO ASM to verify the complete integrity of the pack? What checks and balances are there? You also sure it wasn't the Ace of clubs that you took out and then threw under the desk? How can a casino even allow such a practice for a manager to remove a card for testing purposes on the job?
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/blog/2012/08/casino-deals-lawsuit-to-blue-springs.html
I have also seen places where they pre-shuffle the cards, mostly during graveyard hours, for use on baccarat games. Those are done under surveillance coverage.
As an AP, you must realize that casinos make their living on offering a fair game and allowing the math to do the heavy lifting. If a game were unbalanced, an AP would be able to adjust their strategy appropriately and take advantage of the situation. Imagine an unbalanced roulette wheel, or dice that were not quite square. The casino has much more to lose than you do in those situations.
Quote: FCBLComishThe cards are verified in the factory and sealed. There are really only 3 major card companies that are used and trusted in the industry. If there was any kind of problem with the cards, the manufacturer would be on the hook. I believe there were some cards from Gemaco that the Golden Nugget Atlantic City found that there were some un-shuffled cards that actually got through.
https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/blog/2012/08/casino-deals-lawsuit-to-blue-springs.html
I have also seen places where they pre-shuffle the cards, mostly during graveyard hours, for use on baccarat games. Those are done under surveillance coverage.
As an AP, you must realize that casinos make their living on offering a fair game and allowing the math to do the heavy lifting. If a game were unbalanced, an AP would be able to adjust their strategy appropriately and take advantage of the situation. Imagine an unbalanced roulette wheel, or dice that were not quite square. The casino has much more to lose than you do in those situations.
Oh the same factory that the Encore pit boss told me was in China when I first got here last year? That's right China, where the US laws don't apply. The cards the Palms are using are different from Encore though and the rest of Vegas in general and I dont think I've seen the ones Palms are using anywhere else. So I would like to know what country they are getting it from. I can just imagine finding out the cards are coming from Japan now and if I hear that I'll honestly just consider retirement at that point. I know NYNY use a different variety as well to cater to their New York theme. Also, did you just say the MANUFACTURER would be held responsible and not the casino. Great, that makes me feel a lot better now(sarcasm). Did you also admit that there have been times where some 'cards got through'. Well guess what, if some cards 'get through' now, there's no ASM on these tables to find out.
Also how the hell can anyone take advantage of a short pack? Maybe your example fits other games if it were unbalanced, but a short pack in blackjack cannot be taken advantage of. Casinos make their living offering fair games? You must realize that applies to every single game besides blackjack. The one game that has been documented time and time again that it can be beat. Alsom what a coincidence Baccarat also uses pre shuffled cards, the one game with a side bet known to be beat as well. Intriguing. We all know casinos are irrational and paranoid creatures with many casinos having been caught already stacking the deck in their favor (literally) with a short pack so why put it past them as history shows us.
I just want transparency. That's all this is about. I'm aware pre shuffled cards are used to speed up the game and are used mainly for 8 deck games, which include Baccarat. But if it's about speed, why did the Palms remove their ASMs? You know, the one thing that actually speeds up the game not having to spend 5 minutes to shuffle? Seriously?
Was Zcore the dealer? ;-)Quote: FCBLComishI was a manager who used to take a card out when giving the deck to the dealer to check. It was usually the 7 of Clubs. One dealer looked through the deck 3 times, each time I said that there was a card missing. He finally said that he was 100% sure they were all there. He was willing to bet his badge on it. I produced the missing card, and there was dead silence.
Quote: TigerWuYes, because that's not what "the customer is always right" means. It means that if you run a casino, you're going to offer casino games, because that's what customers want from a casino. They don't want to go to a casino to play Monopoly, or have their car washed. I work in a retail environment, and we've told customers to take their business elsewhere if they're being difficult for some reason.
If a business, especially a well-established and well-regulated one like a casino, is doing something a specific way, then that means they have probably figured out that that specific thing maximizes their profits, even if it risks alienating certain customers for one reason or another. You're talking about customer service 101, but you should also be looking at economics 101.
Furthermore, you claim to be an AP, so if you've found out the casinos are cheating, and also how they're cheating, you should be exploiting it to make money, not coming on here to complain about it.
You cannot exploit a short pack in blackjack. There's nothing helpful about it at all other than what you already can do with a normal pack such as sequencing, counting, shuffle tracking, cutting a card into play or out of play, etc. All that's happening is the house edge has now gone up even further depending on how many cards were taken out.
Secondly, maximizing profits? If it's about maximizing profits by ordering pre shuffled cards due to speed of play, then why were the ASM's removed? You know, the one thing that is easily proven that helps speed up game play and more rounds per hour? Fishy to say the least. Not to mention when you realize the new cards come pre shuffled whereas before it never did.
Still waiting for the safeguards in place with NO ASM at the table and a pre shuffled pack. If the factories are verifying the cards, is there 24/7 surveillance at the time of inspecting the cards? Is the tape sent to the GCB for review? Or is it some factory in Asia that doesn't abide by US law and that has some rogue contract with casinos for several years? Has anyone ever read the exact contract?
Quote: RSOne thing that's kind of funny and this literally happens in every "ZK thread" is that no one can really put up a good argument against what ZK is saying, other than saying negative things about his success as a card counter (or lack thereof). Maybe I missed it, but I haven't yet seen anyone say anything about how a casino verifies every card that is supposed to be in play, is in play.
I don't think casinos necessarily cheat as in they pull out tens/aces on purpose, but this is prime real estate to set that opportunity up down the road. Complacency will do that. Even without them doing it on purpose, you can still end up getting the short end of the stick if the deck is shorted on accident and it wasn't purposely done, like what happened at SugarHouse or wherever that happened recently.
Not going to go through 3 pages of responses but I will say I learned from the best, he is f’d as an AP. The best see the risk in advance and limit their risk. And in the few times you didn’t see it coming, you didn’t risk any major part of your bankroll. And even better you find ways to profit from casino errors. I Thank all of you for that knowledge.
It’s sad you wasted it on ZK. I honestly thought you guys were better than that. I thought you had a better judge of character and common sense. One that believes your crew is honest dudes can only assume you felt sorry for him or saw the all time sucker. No other explanation of your willingness to offer to help him time and time again.
Quote: BozNot going to go through 3 pages of responses but I will say I learned from the best, he is f’d as an AP. The best see the risk in advance and limit their risk. And in the few times you didn’t see it coming, you didn’t risk any major part of your bankroll. And even better you find ways to profit from casino errors. I Thank all of you for that knowledge.
It’s sad you wasted it on ZK. I honestly thought you guys were better than that. I thought you had a better judge of character and common sense. One that believes your crew is honest dudes can only assume you felt sorry for him or saw the all time sucker. No other explanation of your willingness to offer to help him time and time again.
Yeah I'm f'd as an AP, meanwhile I've now raked in close to 60k part time from a 1-1.5% edge game betting 2x200 on average starting with nothing and working two jobs, saving up, and playing on the side to then eventually quit my jobs and get to Vegas and play. That is the true definition of what it takes to be an AP. Let me know if any of you would have the discipline to do what I've done, let alone do any of that at my age. Go ahead and tell me of your impulsive tendencies that you had at my age. Then get back to me. I wouldn't be making fun of their crew if they were able to actually notice that. Says a lot about them. You're the one who's wrong here just like you and Zcore were wrong about me being out of Vegas within a year and under a bridge, but you subtly don't mention that anymore. Congrats. Also go ahead and tell me what risk there is with me? You don't know anything about me and I'm trying my hardest to not use profanity right now to not get banned. So before you judge me, go worry about yourself because you're the f'd up one here, especially if you're alienating or eliminating people from your life based on ridiculous things like this.
You should probably get that bitterness and jealousy you have about me checked out. Maybe you see that when you were my age, you were 10x less the person than I am and maybe you feel inferior to me for whatever reason because I've done nothing wrong to you or anyone, but yet you feel the need to try and lash out at me. I also bet you're some type of narcissist and when you finally lose the ability to control someone, you try to manipulate the situation and try your hardest to make others try to view the targeted person differently. Well guess what? The truth always unveils itself and anyone with a brain can see right through that of who is actually right. That's why I'm the best.
Quote: ZenKinGLove doesnt exist. Relationships, especially young rrlationships anywhere from 19-35 are nothing but fake love, but even the ones after that are all fake love. Each party really only loves what makes 'themselves' happy and what the other party does that makes 'themselves' feel good about being with them and what 'they' can get out of it even if they wont admit it or maybe without them even realizing it.
You want proof of that? Lets say a man or a woman in a relationship god forbid lost their leg or their arm got amputated. How many of these wonderful lovely relationships would stay together or faithful to one another? How often would the other party leave the relationship because of that catastrophic event and go find someone else with whatever excuse they give their partner for leaving? If they dont leave because they have kids to take care of etc, how often do you think they cheat on their beloved partner who just had that catastrophic event? Go ahead and tell me after thinking clearly about that. It's all about fulfilling their own needs. Think about every relationship you know right now amongst your friends, especially the young relationships.
The only people who truly love you unconditionally is our parents, excluding the obvious parents who are mentally unstable and leave their kids once theyre born. Thats obviously the exception, but the parents who actually stick with you, love you forever regardless of what happens. That never happens in a relationship. They stick together for their own egotistical reasons whether they realize it or not. Not to mention, I didnt even get into the divorce rates as well even if something doesnt catastrophic doesnt happen. So much for love. When divorce rates are higher than staying together, that tells you all you need to know as well.
All I have to say is I feel really sad for you that you think this way.
Quote: PokerGrinderAll I have to say is I feel really sad for you that you think this way.
It's not my opinion really. It's just the truth in society today. Also relationships aren't natural. That's just something society built up in our heads along with religion. I'm catholic, and believe in God, but the whole marriage thing in the bible really goes against what nature is really about and the proof is, why are divorce rates higher than actual couples staying together? Look at the animal kingdom, animals don't care about their spouse. If a male animal sees a female of his breed in the streets, he will chase that and procreate. You don't see the female animal then wanting to divorce him. Even if the female saw it happening in front of her own eyes. They continue living like nothing ever happened. The whole premise of finding the 'one' and being with the same person forever is completely unnatural. This is why everyone always wants to cheat on someone and although people won't admit it, it's always in the back of their minds. That's how nature works and how the world continues living on. It's not natural to be stuck with someone the rest of your lives. Just use some common sense. That's just the illusion society has built up in your head along with religion. Let's also not forget religion was created mostly to control people as well. I believe in a creator, but a lot of the teachings in the bible were used back in the day to 'control' people and is still happening today.
I will say this though, that doesn't mean that's who I am as a person and will cheat on whatever girl I'm with. I haven't even been in a relationship in many years. I also don't want you to think I'm redirecting this at you. You're a good guy and I hope it works out with you and your relationship. I'm just letting you know the true instincts of how nature works. We're no different than animals. It's all instinctual. The only difference between us and amimals is being able to think critically and plan for the day ahead, etc.
Quote: ZenKinGYeah I'm f'd as an AP, meanwhile I've now raked in close to 60k part time from a 1-1.5% edge game betting 2x200 on average starting with nothing and working two jobs, saving up, and playing on the side to then eventually quit my jobs and get to Vegas and play. That is the true definition of what it takes to be an AP. Let me know if any of you would have the discipline to do what I've done, let alone do any of that at my age. Go ahead and tell me of your impulsive tendencies that you had at my age. Then get back to me. I wouldn't be making fun of their crew if they were able to actually notice that. Says a lot about them. You're the one who's wrong here just like you and Zcore were wrong about me being out of Vegas within a year and under a bridge, but you subtly don't mention that anymore. Congrats.
You should probably get that bitterness and jealousy you have about me checked out. Maybe you see that when you were my age, you were 10x less the person than I am and maybe you feel inferior to me for whatever reason because I've done nothing wrong to you or anyone, but yet you feel the need to try and lash out at me. I also bet you're some type of narcissist and when you finally lose the ability to control someone, you try to manipulate the situation and try your hardest to make others try to view the targeted person differently. Well guess what? The truth always unveils itself and anyone with a brain can see right through that of who is actually right. That's why I'm the best.
No sure if that is an insult toward me but I’ll throw my opinion out there.
You are not an AP, you are far from it. Any AP on here has to see you as a failure as an AP.
AP’s have offered to help you. AP’s who are willing to show you other ways. Same sh*t I have have said time and time again. Face it, you are worth as much as you will ever be.
Not that money matters to you.
But people like me laugh at you. And only hope you don’t take your rage against “Drones” working for a living out on innocent people,
And maybe, just maybe I turned you in to Downtown Grand based on your stupidity in putting your name out there is the video game world. And maybe I didn’t. Maybe Oz did, maybe Wizard did, maybe Axel did. Same chance of being true as the unproven stuff you put out there.
I live to enjoy your misery. Please keep sucking at being an AP and a human being. It’s sad how you feel about your fellow Americans.
Quote: ZenKinGYou're the one who's wrong here just like you and Zcore were wrong about me being out of Vegas within a year and under a bridge, but you subtly don't mention that anymore. Congrats.
Under a bridge, in a bed bug infested short term rental... what's the difference?
You have not succeeded in anything you've attempted so far. No bringing down the house. No changes to procedures you don't like. No successful complaints to the Gaming Board.
There are hundreds just like you in Las Vegas. They came to town to hurt the casinos. They are all smarter than everyone just like you. They all know how government, and money and love and life should really be if everything were right in the world. And like you, they make part time income. Some dress as superheroes and take pictures with kids now. Some play guitar on the corner. Some drive uber. You play cards. Same story, different day.
ZCore13
Quote: BozNo sure if that is an insult toward me but I’ll throw my opinion out there.
You are not an AP, you are far from it. Any AP on here has to see you as a failure as an AP.
AP’s have offered to help you. AP’s who are willing to show you other ways. Same sh*t I have have said time and time again. Face it, you are worth as much as you will ever be.
Not that money matters to you.
But people like me laugh at you. And only hope you don’t take your rage against “Drones” working for a living out on innocent people,
And maybe, just maybe I turned you in to Downtown Grand based on your stupidity in putting your name out there is the video game world. And maybe I didn’t. Maybe Oz did, maybe Wizard did, maybe Axel did. Same chance of being true as the unproven stuff you put out there.
I live to enjoy your misery. Please keep sucking at being an AP and a human being. It’s sad how you feel about your fellow Americans.
Yeah so go ahead and tell me where I exactly have failed and then tell me where you were at my age and if you could do what I've done to even get out to Vegas? You're the typical jealous type. You don't see any of the positives, but rather focus on the negatives. Something someone with an agenda does. You think being a 'failed AP' resembles the same thing for everyone. Am I a failed AP because I haven't made millions? Because the last time I checked I'm pretty close to EV since I been here and throughout my career. Doesn't that mean I beat the game? Doesn't that make me an AP? Being a successful AP isnt a one size fit definition for everyone. So keep on hating and I'll keep doing what I do, playing the hours I want and living a stress free life. Cheers.
Quote: ZenKinGLet me know if any of you would have the discipline to do what I've done, let alone do any of that at my age.
Nope. I know for a fact I couldn't do it. I'm always impressed when I hear about people counting cards for a living. Seriously.
You're still an insufferable person with a terrible attitude, so you still have a lot to learn about life, that's for dang sure.
Quote:So keep on hating and I'll keep doing what I do, playing the hours I want and living a stress free life.
You're the most stressed out person in this forum.
Quote: Zcore13Under a bridge, in a bed bug infested short term rental... what's the difference?
You have not succeeded in anything you've attempted so far. No bringing down the house. No changes to procedures you don't like. No successful complaints to the Gaming Board.
There are hundreds just like you in Las Vegas. They came to town to hurt the casinos. They are all smarter than everyone just like you. They all know how government, and money and love and life should really be if everything were right in the world. And like you, they make part time income. Some dress as superheroes and take pictures with kids now. Some play guitar on the corner. Some drive uber. You play cards. Same story, different day.
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Oh how the tune has changed. People not following your posting history might easily be swayed, but that's why im here. First off, the bed bugs are gone and it's a nice apartment especially for the price. If you're trying to say living in an apartment is the same as living under a bridge, then we should just end the conversation right here. But let's continue, since I'm here to destroy any arguments you have. Next. I've not succeeded in anything I've attempted so far? Making $1 in the net positive is already succeeding in Vegas. Coming here and not being broke after a month is succeeding. How many come here and lose their shirt, let alone show profit after a year and a half? How long have I been here and how much am I up and how much am I up in my career and how many hours have I played and how close am I to EV? Then get back to me.
This is also just blackjack. If you were trying to get at me not succeeding at ANYTHING in my life, then we can just start off with graduating college, traveling the world playing a video game all expenses paid, having no debt, never had a credit card, building up a 60k bank to travel to vegas and do something I believe in after never receiving a handout from anyone, car paid off, knowing several topics in law better than harvard grads, etc. I also never came here to try and 'bring down the house' but once again you put words in my mouth to try and strengthen whatever b.s you're spewing at the time to try and make a coherent argument.
I will say this though. You're right, a lot of people come to vegas, some make part time income, some dress as superheroes, some play guitar on the corner, some even end up going to Arizona to work for corrupt Indians and being a slave to their alarm clock each and every day. Ouch.
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Quote: ZenKinGYeah so go ahead and tell me where I exactly have failed and then tell me where you were at my age and if you could do what I've done to even get out to Vegas? You're the typical jealous type. You don't see any of the positives, but rather focus on the negatives. Something someone with an agenda does. You think being a 'failed AP' resembles the same thing for everyone. Am I a failed AP because I haven't made millions? Because the last time I checked I'm pretty close to EV since I been here and throughout my career. Doesn't that mean I beat the game? Doesn't that make me an AP? Being a successful AP isnt a one size fit definition for everyone. So keep on hating and I'll keep doing what I do, playing the hours I want and living a stress free life. Cheers.
Yea it’s a stress free life brother. Trust me, when I have a bad day, I think it could be worse, I could be you.
Don’t defend your AP or life record, it’s a joke to me and everyone else on here.
Your EV garbage doesn’t mean anything to anyone.
You are as happy as the bum on the overpass who gets enough begging for another 25oz Steel Reserve.
Trust me, I’m many things in life, jealous of you isn’t one of them.
Your life is many things, but somehow I doubt stress free isn’t one of them.
And yes, at your age I was worth a hell of a lot more than you. I started working at 12 and was sold my first business at 18. Yea I paid double what it was worth but it was financed and gave me an opportunity. Unlike you I took it and ran with it. Obstacles? Hell yes. But instead of you, I overcame them. I didn’t whine like a baby at crooked vendors and bankers, I found ways for me to succeed at their GAME. You never will.
Instead you cry like a baby about them “cheating” you.
Not I’m not the best, but I have won at business for over 30 years and have the records to show it.
But I’m just another drone and can only bow to the King.
Keep posting, far better to remove any doubt from anyone who doubts you have a semblance of reality in your world.
Cheers my ass.
I would never have guessed.
Quote: BozYea it’s a stress free life brother. Trust me, when I have a bad day, I think it could be worse, I could be you.
Don’t defend your AP or life record, it’s a joke to me and everyone else on here.
Your EV garbage doesn’t mean anything to anyone.
You are as happy as the bum on the overpass who gets enough begging for another 25oz Steel Reserve.
Trust me, I’m many things in life, jealous of you isn’t one of them.
Your life is many things, but somehow I doubt stress free isn’t one of them.
And yes, at your age I was worth a hell of a lot more than you. I started working at 12 and was sold my first business at 18. Yea I paid double what it was worth but it was financed and gave me an opportunity. Unlike you I took it and ran with it. Obstacles? Hell yes. But instead of you, I overcame them. I didn’t whine like a baby at crooked vendors and bankers, I found ways for me to succeed at their GAME. You never will.
Instead you cry like a baby about them “cheating” you.
Not I’m not the best, but I have won at business for over 30 years and have the records to show it.
But I’m just another drone and can only bow to the King.
Keep posting, far better to remove any doubt from anyone who doubts you have a semblance of reality in your world.
Cheers my ass.
You sound miserable. It comes out in the way you write. You seem angry. Anyway, you guys can say whatever you want to say, but you will find very few people in the world who have been able to do what I've done. Just look at what you've done. Financed? You already lost compared to me. Try building up a bank to 60k liquid without a handout from anyone starting at 25 yrs old never having a credit card and no debt, and a 13.5k car already paid off in full. But I'm the one that's wrong here LOL. Yeah, that's the exact reason I take my own advice. People have their own agenda or just plain misinformation when talking to me. Sure, I listen, but quickly realize I'm once again the one who is right. Anyone that has made more than me at my age, either came from rich parents or took a shortcut and destroyed the economy with another handout.
I also find amuse in your last line. When was the last time I gave 2 f's about what anyone thinks of me? Maybe if you guys listened to me more and sucked up your ego, you would all love me because at the end of the day I'm the one who's right, but you're too scared to admit it on an anonymous forum, let alone in real life. Of course, I'm not perfect, I never said I was, but when people try to discredit me or say I'm a failure, well good luck. Regardless, you and everyone else's opinions about me, mean nothing to me. My parent's opinions regarding my life dont mean anything to me(still respect them of course). My friend's opinions don't mean anything to me. It's the equivalent of what the pigeon outside thinks of me. The only one who can stop me is divine intervention. That's completely out of my hands. We all know God hates me and I get punished for anything whether it's taking extra food from a McDonalds order when it wasn't my order or picking up a chip off the floor, immediately bad variance will strike. He forgets all the good I do in the world, so it's just more adversity. I'm cursed and still managed to build a 60k bank. WOW.
Cheers kids.
Quote: ZenKinGMy friend's opinions don't mean anything to me. It's the equivalent of what the pigeon outside thinks of me.
Yeah y'all some pigeon-ass ninjas. Step your game up, WOV! Especially you, Boz. How dare you use financing to leverage your advantage in the marketplace. #pigeonmoves
