Casino Cheating Blackjack Claimed

Quote: teliot

My thoughts ....

https://youtu.be/04Qe-QWsjzY

you didn't read the postings on this issue carefully.

you said this in the comments under the video and in the video itself:

"There is a discussion going around that at least one casino is using an automatic shuffler to preset the shoes so that high cards (ten-valued and Aces) come out early in the shoe."

that is not what is being claimed. what is being claimed is that 𝐎𝐍𝐋𝐘 𝟏𝟎 𝐕𝐀𝐋𝐔𝐄 𝐂𝐀𝐑𝐃𝐒 are being clumped so the game is basically unbeatable because when these cards come out there will be all pushes and after they're gone the player will be at a huge disadvantage because of all the low cards left

your misunderstanding of these points is very disappointing

also, in stating that you've been out of the business for so long you've basically disqualified yourself as an expert because of the high speed advances in technology

to be clear - I am not saying the claims are accurate. I'm not sure. I only posted because so many respected veteran APs seemed to think it feasible.

basically, your video did absolutely nothing to clarify the situation and even muddied the waters further

Quote: teliot

My thoughts ....

https://youtu.be/04Qe-QWsjzY

Great video, teliot! Made a lot of sense. Nice for you to drop by.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Great video, teliot! Made a lot of sense. Nice for you to drop by.

there was absolutely nothing great about it. it made no sense at all. there would be less confusion if he hadn't dropped by.

Quote: lilredrooster

that is not what is being claimed. what is being claimed is that 𝐎𝐍𝐋𝐘 𝟏𝟎 𝐕𝐀𝐋𝐔𝐄 𝐂𝐀𝐑𝐃𝐒 are being clumped so the game is basically unbeatable because when these cards come out there will be all pushes and after they're gone the player will be at a huge disadvantage because of all the low cards left

Ridiculous. It would take a day for someone to notice this pattern.

Quote: lilredrooster

your misunderstanding of these points is very disappointing

Just as ridiculous.

Quote: lilredrooster

also, in stating that you've been out of the business for so long you've basically disqualified yourself as an expert because of the high speed advances in technology

Winner. Most ridiculous comment.

Quote: lilredrooster

basically, your video did absolutely nothing to clarify the situation and even muddied the waters further

More ridiculousness.


ZCore13

Quote: lilredrooster

there was absolutely nothing great about it. it made no sense at all. there would be less confusion if he hadn't dropped by.

It IS possible to disagree without being disagreeable. You might try it some time.

Quote: beachbumbabs

It IS possible to disagree without being disagreeable. You might try it some time.

I apologize for the rudeness of my comment. Sorry.

It is my understanding that a group of DI's millionaires are manufacturing and installing gaffed shufflers. The FBI is investigating

Eliot:

1, Well made video. Nice work.

2. I agreed with the second half of your video. It does seems unlikely in Nevada, NJ, etc.

3. I disagree with you on the math!

My impression of what is being discussed is clumps of high cards without low cards or aces. Imagine a clump of 25 -30 consecutive cards that are mostly tens, with some 9s and 8s intermixed among them as well but with no cards in the range of A-7. Such a high card clump would have zero advantage for either the player or the house. (I won't insult you by explaining this.) There is nothing for an AP to take advantage of (except for sidebets, which I don't know to have been present in this specific case.) It would be a very clever way to consume high cards and leave the rest of the shoe with a low density of tens which would indeed favor the house.

Such clumps would be noticeable, which is what is claimed to have happened in this instance - players are claiming to have noticed it.

I need to apologize to teliot also, because I was wrong in my criticism when I said that the claim was that it was only 10 value cards that were clumped. I went back over the original thread at bjtf and the poster called it a "high card clump." I think some poster somewhere said it was just 10s and somehow it stuck in my mind.

So, you were correct in calling it a high card clump and that part of my criticism was invalid.

again, sorry Sir.


however, this is what the OP from bjtf said about your video on another forum

"Teliot, (Eliot Jacabson) made and posted a video attempting to debunk my claim. Apparently Elliot didn't read the initial post of this discussion, because he immediately talked about the high card clump being at the beginning of the shoe. I didn't say that!. I thought I made it clear the high card clump can come out at anytime. All the machine can do is put the high card clump together. It doesn't determine where the clump is in the deck. The player cutting is the one that determines that."

this is what he said in his very first post at bjtf

"Basically there is a clump of high cards somewhere in play."

Quote: gordonm888

Eliot:

1, Well made video. Nice work.

2. I agreed with the second half of your video. It does seems unlikely in Nevada, NJ, etc.

3. I disagree with you on the math!

My impression of what is being discussed is clumps of high cards without low cards or aces. Imagine a clump of 25 -30 consecutive cards that are mostly tens, with some 9s and 8s intermixed among them as well but with no cards in the range of A-7. Such a high card clump would have zero advantage for either the player or the house. (I won't insult you by explaining this.) There is nothing for an AP to take advantage of (except for sidebets, which I don't know to have been present in this specific case.) It would be a very clever way to consume high cards and leave the rest of the shoe with a low density of tens which would indeed favor the house.

Such clumps would be noticeable, which is what is claimed to have happened in this instance - players are claiming to have noticed it.

Depending on the location I would love a game that had high enough limits where you could guarantee a push each hand. That's an AP dream in some situations.

No need to beat the game itself.

Don't underestimate the value of the mail and even comps. Let's not forget you can also negotiate with a host.
It's not uncommon for players to receive walking in money(free play or whatever) when using higher amounts of front money and lines of credit. Did I mention ratholing could help as well?

Obviously, EC wouldn't be the best location for this.