Setting the Record Straight
I bet if someone posted that they weighed 600 lbs and someone else told them they need to take better care of themselves, there would be no suspension.
My two cents...
Quote: FinsRuleI disagree with the decision that we can not tell other members that they need psychological help based on what they have written.
I bet if someone posted that they weighed 600 lbs and someone else told them they need to take better care of themselves, there would be no suspension.
My two cents...
It's no problem. I don't think there was any ill intention. And I'm fine with being banned from a forum for a few days.
Quote: RigondeauxI got in trouble for saying so, but I saw this early on.
I think the chances of ZK becoming a mass murderer are remote. But he will be miserable until he addresses this. Obviously. If you can't be happy as a decent looking (shut up Axel), intelligent guy in your 20 s with a pile of cash in Vegas and no boss, you have massive problems inside.
He is, in fact, a pretty pleasant guy irl. Only one thing stands in his way.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_personality_disorder
"PPD is characterized by at least three ( how about all 7?) of the following symptoms:
excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs;
tendency to bear grudges persistently (i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights);
suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
a combative and tenacious sense of self-righteousness out of keeping with the actual situation;
recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
tendency to experience excessive self-aggrandizing, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;
preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large."
Unfortunately, it is very hard to recognize such problems in yourself. Id guess this one is especially tough because you have to go from self aggrandizing to humbly admitting your mind is effed up.
But perhaps you can preserve your self esteem with the knowledge that knowing the truth is better than being deluded and the freedom that will come when you understand that you don't have to be either perfect or worthless.
Holy sh1t. Nailed it.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI personally don't believe ZK has no trouble getting laid like he said. If he could, he wouldn't be so angry. Those demons need released.
Even the p cannot remedy severe personality disorders. Look at all the rock stars who wind up as train wrecks or even suicides. They get laid in a week more than most guys do in their lives.
However, in the trip report that turned into a big conversation about women, ZK insisted that he didn't want a real relationship because women played games and cheated on you.
From the list
"recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;"
What could be less justified than assuming a girl will cheat before you even know who she is?
Quote: VCUSkyhawkQuote: ZenKinGShout out to the Palms idiotic management. Palms if youre reading this which I hope you are, I hope you yook my advice of what I told the shift manager today about backing me off and trespassing me. Because guess what, you can back me off all you want ill keep coming back. I also suggest you tell that drome shift manager who said if i come back ill be trespassed because guess what YOU CANT DO [Redacted by Mod: OnceDear] TO ME. Lets go to court. Go ahead try and trespass me and see what happens in court. Ill make sure before i die that Vegas ends up just like Atlantic City. Mark my words. This has nothing to do with money to me anymore. Im sick of this droned out society that simply follows orders and never questions amything and just carry out immoral acts of injustice simply for a [Redacted by Mod: OnceDear] paycheck. All of you idiots running these casinos will soon learn ignorance is no excuse
Dude, you scare me. Your ramblings give you the appearance of one who will eventually pull a Stephen Paddock. Seek help, talk to a medical professional, not just about how you feel about casinos and BJ, but life in general. Of all the craziness I read on this forum, you are by far the scariest.
Uh, he can't pull a Stephen Paddock cause everyone knows that whole event was a government phsy-op!!!! And I'm not gonna f***ing stop til the who world knows it!!! This is what's wrong with the world!!!! Do you even f***ing get it? No, you don't. He's just doing what our founding fathers like Benjamin Franklin woulda done! Do you think Ben woulda taken a backoff and just walked away like a lil b!tch????!!!!! Well, do ya????!!!!
LOLQuote: MaxPenHoly sh1t. Nailed it.
he could get help and would most likely be fine but it's not going to happen if he stays in denial. so sad. the only real hope is if one of his family members intervenes.
Quote: lilredroosterhe's in denial mode. did you ever notice that after someone responds to his rants he never acknowledges it? he never responds directly. he's in his own world and any opposing point of view is completely irrelevant to him.
he could get help and would most likely be fine but it's not going to happen if he stays in denial. so sad. the only real hope is if one of his family members intervenes.
Oh good it's not just me. I always figured he was in his own little world or he had me blocked.
Kicking them is much more effective.
Quote: AxelWolfSome criticism, joking, razing and whatnot should be allowed, however, I think there are lines one should not cross, comparing or suggesting someone is like Stephen Paddock seems to be over that line. If one truly believes someone may have that potential they should take it to PM or contact the proper authorities.
Yeah, if there is something to really report, someone should report it. 'Cause I hate to be one of the members of the forum who has to respond to some inquiry later, where everyone says, "yeah, we saw all these threats but didn't think he was serious blah blah blah, nobody did anything blah blah blah, we all suck."
As I didn't see anything before it was "redacted" I don't even know what was actually said.
For example, this example is not too bad. Once again, the following is just an example, not an actual Zenking post/thread.
"18 Pine Street Casino jipped me out of my money. I did 100 hands in a row in Poker and NONE of them won! 18 Pine Street is a greedy casino who cheated me out of my money! Who does this? I'll telI you who does this. A greedy Corporation like 18 Pine Street Casino who enjoys suckering money out of their customers! I swear they are out to get me! I hope they go out of business for cheating me out of my money!"
Admin(s) can say,"Okay,Zenking is coming off as a paranoid loon, but it's not TOO BAD, so I'll approve it." Now, if Zenking starts a thread like,"(Once again, this is just an example) "All of you guys on WOV are out to get me, I swear you all have hidden agendas meant to take me down! Why do you guys strive to take me down? What have I done to you?" Admin can say,"Zenking seems really creepy with this thread,I will not approve thread, and discard it"
Quote: NathanLike I have said before, I think Zenking's posts and threads should be evaluated by Admins before being allowed on WOV,
We are all grown-ups here. Pre-moderating any posts is an unnecessary interruption to the flow of forum threads, The price we pay is that a few spammers and f-bombs get through. They get dealt with swiftly and firmly
Pre-moderating is a chore and is not how this place operates.
Have you ever moderated a forum? I suspect not.
It's sad that ZK flies off completely against the rules. But he knows those rules. We aren't his nanny. His recent f-bomb came immediately after release from a 9 day suspension. It's like his claimed attitude to being backed off from casinos. *"you can back me off all you want ill keep coming back" . . . "YOU CANT DO SH1T TO ME."
He's wrong there. He's wrong here too.
* edited for brevity
Quote: NathanLike I have said before, I think Zenking's posts and threads should be evaluated by Admins before being allowed on WOV, like other websites do for new Members.
For example, this example is not too bad. Once again, the following is just an example, not an actual Zenking post/thread.
"18 Pine Street Casino jipped me out of my money. I did 100 hands in a row in Poker and NONE of them won! 18 Pine Street is a greedy casino who cheated me out of my money! Who does this? I'll telI you who does this. A greedy Corporation like 18 Pine Street Casino who enjoys suckering money out of their customers! I swear they are out to get me! I hope they go out of business for cheating me out of my money!"
Admin(s) can say,"Okay,Zenking is coming off as a paranoid loon, but it's not TOO BAD, so I'll approve it." Now, if Zenking starts a thread like,"(Once again, this is just an example) "All of you guys on WOV are out to get me, I swear you all have hidden agendas meant to take me down! Why do you guys strive to take me down? What have I done to you?" Admin can say,"Zenking seems really creepy with this thread,I will not approve thread, and discard it"
We've had this conversation before, so now I'm making it a warning. I say again,
Do NOT put words in other members' mouths. Your examples of what you think other people are saying are not welcome. Your fictional write-ups as hypothetical quotes fall under rule 17, which reads:
"Misquoting: If you quote another member, do not remove, add, or change any wording within the portion quoted. If you wish to emphasize a particular part of the quote, any formatting by the one quoting should be disclosed immediately after the quote. (Added 6/8/2018)"
This board celebrates Free Speech (in the first person: otherwise my statement is ironic in context of my warning). We have had this pre-post moderation suggestion before, seriously considered it, and it was rejected.
Even though the board is anonymous, posters are held responsible for what they choose to post. That includes self-governance on cursing, insulting other members, threats and attacks, and the rest. The rules are disclosed to members before their first post, and they agree to abide by them.
That includes ZK. He has been suspended several times for profanity: it has to be a deliberate violation by now, and we have to react accordingly.
But beachie, she had very nice things to say about you the other day. Don't you remember?Quote: beachbumbabsWe've had this conversation before, so now I'm making it a warning. I say again,
Do NOT put words in other members' mouths. Your examples of what you think other people are saying are not welcome. Your fictional write-ups as hypothetical quotes fall under rule 17, which reads:
"Misquoting: If you quote another member, do not remove, add, or change any wording within the portion quoted. If you wish to emphasize a particular part of the quote, any formatting by the one quoting should be disclosed immediately after the quote. (Added 6/8/2018)"
This board celebrates Free Speech (in the first person: otherwise my statement is ironic in context of my warning). We have had this pre-post moderation suggestion before, seriously considered it, and it was rejected.
Even though the board is anonymous, posters are held responsible for what they choose to post. That includes self-governance on cursing, insulting other members, threats and attacks, and the rest. The rules are disclosed to members before their first post, and they agree to abide by them.
That includes ZK. He has been suspended several times for profanity: it has to be a deliberate violation by now, and we have to react accordingly.
Heartless (-;
Quote: beachbumbabsWe've had this conversation before, so now I'm making it a warning. I say again,
Do NOT put words in other members' mouths. Your examples of what you think other people are saying are not welcome. Your fictional write-ups as hypothetical quotes fall under rule 17, which reads:
"Misquoting: If you quote another member, do not remove, add, or change any wording within the portion quoted. If you wish to emphasize a particular part of the quote, any formatting by the one quoting should be disclosed immediately after the quote. (Added 6/8/2018)"
Looks like I need to read the rules! I wasn’t aware of the recent addendum.
With all due respect, I thought Nathan made it extremely clear that her, “Quotes,” which were in quotation marks rather that a quote box, were for the purpose of an example. There was a whole preceding paragraph saying it was an example and not an actual quote.
Can I take from this Warning that it is never correct to comment on what a person hypothetically could say if they are a member of the forum? That would seem odd. Also, Nathan’s fake ZK quote is a lot more mild than probably a good 25% of the stuff that ZK actually, in fact, says.
Quote: Mission146Looks like I need to read the rules! I wasn’t aware of the recent addendum.
With all due respect, I thought Nathan made it extremely clear that her, “Quotes,” which were in quotation marks rather that a quote box, were for the purpose of an example. There was a whole preceding paragraph saying it was an example and not an actual quote.
Can I take from this Warning that it is never correct to comment on what a person hypothetically could say if they are a member of the forum? That would seem odd. Also, Nathan’s fake ZK quote is a lot more mild than probably a good 25% of the stuff that ZK actually, in fact, says.
I hear your criticism. I don't agree with it.
1. This has been a previous issue with nathan. It needs
to stop.
2. If you are ZK reading this stuff, pretending to quote you, how are you going to feel? I would find it insulting, what she wrote, but I'm not ZK.
3. Maybe she is trying to empathize or something, and has good intentions, but there are many other ways to express that than fake-quotes.
That's where I stand on it. If you want to appeal my warning her or argue about the rule, feel free to take it over my head.
Quote: beachbumbabs
I hear your criticism. I don't agree with it.
1. This has been a previous issue with nathan. It needs
to stop.
Cool, wasn’t aware.
Quote:2. If you are ZK reading this stuff, pretending to quote you, how are you going to feel? I would find it insulting, what she wrote, but I'm not ZK.
ZK would probably be offended that no profanity was used and no lawsuits or people were threatened. Also, nothing about Chinese manufacture. How are you going to lose 100 hands of poker in a row without Chinese manufactured gambling instruments?
So, I see your point. The fake quote was total misrepresentation of ZK.
At least, that’s how I would feel if I were ZK, which you did ask me.
Quote:That's where I stand on it. If you want to appeal my warning her or argue about the rule, feel free to take it over my head.
I’m not going to argue or appeal. I was just curious about your interpretation. The rules are whatever they are, just wanted to make sure I understood it correctly.
Quote: vegasBabs is going to nuke Nathan one of these days. The question is when. It is getting closer.
I'm thinking the reverse.
Quote: beachbumbabsWe've had this conversation before, so now I'm making it a warning. I say again,
Do NOT put words in other members' mouths. Your examples of what you think other people are saying are not welcome. Your fictional write-ups as hypothetical quotes fall under rule 17, which reads:
"Misquoting: If you quote another member, do not remove, add, or change any wording within the portion quoted. If you wish to emphasize a particular part of the quote, any formatting by the one quoting should be disclosed immediately after the quote. (Added 6/8/2018)"
This board celebrates Free Speech (in the first person: otherwise my statement is ironic in context of my warning). We have had this pre-post moderation suggestion before, seriously considered it, and it was rejected.
Even though the board is anonymous, posters are held responsible for what they choose to post. That includes self-governance on cursing, insulting other members, threats and attacks, and the rest. The rules are disclosed to members before their first post, and they agree to abide by them.
That includes ZK. He has been suspended several times for profanity: it has to be a deliberate violation by now, and we have to react accordingly.
Okay, I'll stop posting as if I'm ZK. :P
Quote: AxelWolfBut beachie, she had very nice things to say about you the other day. Don't you remember?
Heartless (-;
To be fair, Babs isn't being heartless, she's being very lenient with me. Thank you for the kind words, however. :)
Said the fly about the spider.Quote: NathanTo be fair, Babs isn't being heartless, she's being very lenient with me.
