ZenKinG
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March 26th, 2018 at 9:12:02 PM permalink
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If it is a 'policy' then they can choose to do it or not do it at will. There is no violation of anything, nor do you have a say.

I have read a lot of this thread, but I didn't go all the way back to the beginning, so let me ask you a question. Why did you move west to Las Vegas? Was it to pursue card counting and advantage play opportunities or was it make noise, filing complains and law suits that you can't and won't win and if you somehow did win, would receive no damages? Just like Kenny Uston received no damages.

You need to figure out what your objective really is. If it is pursuing card counting and advantage play, then pursue it. You are in their house. On someone else's home court. They make the rules. The object of advantage play, of which card counting is a part of is to go to their house, play by their rules and win. You don't get to change the rules.



Im not changing any rules. Is it wrong for a patron to simply want the casino to abide by regulations and statutes? I might be in their house, but the house still has laws to follow and adhere to and cant just railroad people.

Back in PA when they shuffled up on me, it was different because they did it without reason and didnt give me an excuse as to why theyre doing it, they just did it and I just decided to not pursue. What they did in PA is just as bad and couldve also sought litigation, but just didnt feel like it.

But here in Vegas the pit boss lied straight to my face and i can use that as proof that theyre acting inconsistently with how they treat certain patrons because they never shuffle up on anyone when they dont burn a card. It will be hard to prove that they did in fact say thay since there is no audio, but the fact that the pit boss goes and whispers in the dealers ear just before they shuffled on me should be enough proof. That right there blows their bluff that they didnt do it to me because i was counting. Once it is proven in discovery that they did it to me because i was counting, that will violate the NRS cheating statute.

Maybe the damage is already being done as we speak and Gaming found Stratosphere to be in violation of regulations and will get heavily fined, but im not holding my breath. That alone will stop or at least make pit bosses think twice now to shuffle up on someone. Gaming said I wont know of the decision on this because its between the casino and gaming and is confidential and that if i want to pursue it id have to get a lawyer and fight it.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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March 26th, 2018 at 9:33:40 PM permalink
You continue to interchange laws or legal statutes with casino policy. In this instance, as you describe it, no laws or legal statues were broken, only casino policy deviated, which is their right to do at will.

You also seem to be under the impression that gaming NGC is on your side and there to help you. They are not. Most interactions with NGC by an advantage player, result in a trespass from the property involved, regardless of the outcome of the complaint. Re-read the post by Axelwolf.

And finally, "pit boss lying straight to your face" violates nothing except god's law. Get used to it.

Your whole approach seems to be backwards. Most of these types of things have been tried and tested in Nevada, without a favorable outcome. If you are insistent on challenging rules and regulations via gaming commissions and the courts, some of these newer jurisdictions would be the place to do so. Pennsylvania is a good example. Pennsylvania may be doing things that may not be authorized by state regulations.

But again, as Uston proved, winning such a case wins nothing. There are no damages. All that happens is rules are changed and regulations re-written to support worse conditions. Are you familiar with the term "cutting off your nose to spite your face"?
ZenKinG
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March 26th, 2018 at 9:45:34 PM permalink
Quote: MrBo

You continue to interchange laws or legal statutes with casino policy. In this instance, as you describe it, no laws or legal statues were broken, only casino policy deviated, which is their right to do at will.

You also seem to be under the impression that gaming NGC is on your side and there to help you. They are not. Most interactions with NGC by an advantage player, result in a trespass from the property involved, regardless of the outcome of the complaint. Re-read the post by Axelwolf.

And finally, "pit boss lying straight to your face" violates nothing except god's law. Get used to it.

Your whole approach seems to be backwards. Most of these types of things have been tried and tested in Nevada, without a favorable outcome. If you are insistent on challenging rules and regulations via gaming commissions and the courts, some of these newer jurisdictions would be the place to do so. Pennsylvania is a good example. Pennsylvania may be doing things that may not be authorized by state regulations.

But again, as Uston proved, winning such a case wins nothing. There are no damages. All that happens is rules are changed and regulations re-written to support worse conditions. Are you familiar with the term "cutting off your nose to spite your face"?



Im not interchanging anything. The policy thing is just secondary and a supporting argument for what they did. Them shuffling up on me already violates the Nevada cheating statute as i previously mentioned. It violates both subsection (a) and (b). Also the fact that they dont do this to every single patron is further proof they are picking and choosing of who they do it too is more proof that they did it to manipulate the odds of the game and alter the game of chance and the result of the game. Also the fact of the pit boss 'whispering' in the dealers mid round before they shuffle up on me is further proof of the suspicious shenanigans going on.

Lastly i know gaming is corrupt and not once was i ever under the impression that theyre on my side as i have clearly said time and time again, but it was a last resort phone call. This s why i was also careful to not tell them anything about which table i was on etc or when asked if i was counting or an AP because they will just tell the casino what i was doing so i of course didnt tell them. Gaming now has my name and phone number, but i never gave strato my ID that day so its all good.

Looking back though, i probably shouldve just told gaming everything though, since this thread has now outed me anyway.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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March 26th, 2018 at 9:52:31 PM permalink
ZenKing there's a casino right up the street that can use your expertise in marketing. Head up to the SLS and get them back on track.
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March 26th, 2018 at 9:54:16 PM permalink
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ZenKing there's a casino right up the street that can use your expertise in marketing. Head up to the SLS and get them back on track.



Changing their logo colors will be a start. Any place not using red or yellow in their logo branding is already behind the 8 ball.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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March 27th, 2018 at 12:31:35 AM permalink
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Long story short, im playing heads up going from $10 and then to 2x100 at the time, didnt get to max bet yet. Im winning every single round and made around 800 with about 2 decks in as the count shot up early. New dealer comes to the game and the dealer doesnt burn a card. Keep that in mind because thats the key. The dealer deals the round and the pit boss then whispers in her ear something i couldnt hear, but i knew what was going on. Turns out because the dealer didnt 'burn a card', this now meant they had to shuffle up and start a new shoe. This was obviously done on purpose as she saw me spread to 2 hands of 100 and winning every round when i started off at 1x10.

I called gaming and they said they dont know what the casinos particular policy is and what they could do. I of course destroyed the gaming agent and told them it was completely illegal for the casino to manipulate the odds of a particular game to their advantage at will when its unfavorable to them.

EVEN if their policy is to shuffle up the current shoe if the new dealer doesnt burn a card(complete obvious bullshit), i have seen numerous times at stratosphere where the new dealer doesnt burn a card and the pit boss NEVER says to shuffle up on the players at the table so they are contradicting and being inconsistent with their very own policy. This is is a massive violation of regulations and i hope Gaming fines the shit out of them.

There was an agent sent out there last night to investigate what happened and to watch the tape, but im not holding my breath because Gaming is as useless and corrupt as they come in this city. I told Gaming that all they have to do is watch the last week of blackjack being dealt there and they can see for themselves they never shuffle up on anyone if a card is not burned, but tonight they did it to me. Gaming asked if i was an AP or card counter, but i didnt want to tell them anything about myself. Whether it couldve helped idk, but it is what it is. All i know is this is not only illrgal and immoral about what they did, but even if it is their own policy to shuffle up the current shoe if a card is not burned, they NEVER do that, only TONIGHT did they do it to me. This is a complete contradiction of their own policy and are manipulating the odds and discriminating vs me.

Lastly I dont care one bit about outing myself with this post. This is a shout out to the biggest immoral piece of garbage pit boss that works at Stratosphere. I hope you realize you will be fired soon after you did what you did to me last night. You will never get rid of me either. I dare you guyd to arrest me or trespass me now after Gaming has investigated your corrupt casino. That should go well in court you worthless scumbags. Its clear as day what you did to me and you will pay.



I just want to take a moment to thank you. Your posts on what you think is legal, how casinos are against you and how you would double casino profits if you were in charge make me laugh and keep me entertained.

We dealt with something similar here a few years back with a dice controller that was aggressive toward casino Staff.. I see the same downward spiral here. I expect a lot more entertainment is coming in the next 6 to 12 months before a not so entertaining end.


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March 27th, 2018 at 12:47:33 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I just want to take a moment to thank you. Your posts on what you think is legal, how casinos are against you and how you would double casino profits if you were in charge make me laugh and keep me entertained.

We dealt with something similar here a few years back with a dice controller that was aggressive toward casino Staff.. I see the same downward spiral here. I expect a lot more entertainment is coming in the next 6 to 12 months before a not so entertaining end.


ZCore13



Is that a threat? Mods anyone?

Yea, please go ahead prove when i have ever been 'aggressive' to casino staff. Ill wait. The fact that you fail to comment on anything about what the casinos do wrong to APs such as what happened me the other night, tells me all I need to know about you and is confirmation once more of the integrity and honesty of the people that work for these corrupt casinos.

Please go ahead and try to defend the position that casinos have the right to shuffle up on you and how theyre not violating the Nevada cheating statute. Then go ahead and tell me if it is somehow legal, how ethical that is and how you guys can look at yourselves in the mirror each night. Must suck to have to lie straight to your kids face each day to be an honorable human being and to be a good person when you guys are nothing but the contrary.
Last edited by: ZenKinG on Mar 27, 2018
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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March 27th, 2018 at 1:10:26 AM permalink
What threat? I read his post multiple times and I cant find any threat.

If anyfthing Id say you should be the one suspended as you just called Zcore and all casino workers scum of the earth. I root for to succeed but you seem like you are trying to offend everyone and you wont be happy until you have.

If I was a mod youd be taking a time out for a few days.
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March 27th, 2018 at 2:34:19 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Is that a threat? Mods anyone?

Yea, please go ahead prove when i have ever been 'aggressive' to casino staff. Ill wait. The fact that you fail to comment on anything about what the casinos do wrong to APs such as what happened me the other night, tells me all I need to know about you and is confirmation once more of the integrity and honesty of the people that work for these corrupt casinos.

Please go ahead and try to defend the position that casinos have the right to shuffle up on you and how theyre not violating the Nevada cheating statute. Then go ahead and tell me if it is somehow legal, how ethical that is and how you guys can look at yourselves in the mirror each night. Must suck to have to lie straight to your kids face each day to be an honorable human being and to be a good person when you guys are nothing but the contrary.



There are absolutely no threats in my post. And the fact that you edited your post afterward, doesn't change the fact that you called me and all other casino employees the scum of the earth. I would suggest you talk to a professional about your anger.


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March 27th, 2018 at 3:03:31 AM permalink
Just for the record, when you say i edited it out, i edited it out before any of you mentioned it. I dont want an admin to come late to the party and think i only edited it after you guys said it.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.

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