Started out with roulette ended with blackjack
February 12th, 2018 at 5:00:25 PM
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Hello all! This is my very first post on this forum. I normally lurk on a roulette forum, and literally just posted this exact same question to there, but felt it would be better off on this forum.
Let me give you a quick history. I was infatuated with roulette and beating it, but to my dismay, and lots of patent research, ive learned of a process which allows them to "randomize" more than just the rotor or ball speed so to say.
Anyways. I have been playing blackjack with much more success than roulette.
Ive been playng it alot at my casino I go almost every day with usually a minimum bet anywhere from 5 (stadium blackjack) to 25 dollar minumums.
But i love learning about new concepts which allow the casino to succeed and retain a CONSTANT edge against the players.
To the crazy part - and my question for the WIZARD :
I have this slight feeling that the shufflers are using a techinque called the Iterated Prisoners Dilemma to set up hands.
I think that they are randomizing the games which are associated with the prisoners dilemma such as tit for tat and so on.
Is this possible in blackjack?
Take this scenario which happens a little bit less than frequently (at least i see them):
Everyone, except the dealer and one person has what seems to be a winning hand, such as 20s. The dealer gets a seemingly low card such as 2 though 5, and the one person who also didnt get a 20 gets something such as 11 or lower so they are required to hit by basic strategy and are gaurenteed not to bust. So that person is the only person who will take a card before the dealer no matter what. This is the DEFECT which leads to an impossible dealer win.
Let me give you a quick history. I was infatuated with roulette and beating it, but to my dismay, and lots of patent research, ive learned of a process which allows them to "randomize" more than just the rotor or ball speed so to say.
Anyways. I have been playing blackjack with much more success than roulette.
Ive been playng it alot at my casino I go almost every day with usually a minimum bet anywhere from 5 (stadium blackjack) to 25 dollar minumums.
But i love learning about new concepts which allow the casino to succeed and retain a CONSTANT edge against the players.
To the crazy part - and my question for the WIZARD :
I have this slight feeling that the shufflers are using a techinque called the Iterated Prisoners Dilemma to set up hands.
I think that they are randomizing the games which are associated with the prisoners dilemma such as tit for tat and so on.
Is this possible in blackjack?
Take this scenario which happens a little bit less than frequently (at least i see them):
Everyone, except the dealer and one person has what seems to be a winning hand, such as 20s. The dealer gets a seemingly low card such as 2 though 5, and the one person who also didnt get a 20 gets something such as 11 or lower so they are required to hit by basic strategy and are gaurenteed not to bust. So that person is the only person who will take a card before the dealer no matter what. This is the DEFECT which leads to an impossible dealer win.
February 12th, 2018 at 7:02:38 PM
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Quote:ive learned of a process which allows them to "randomize" more than just the rotor or ball speed so to say.
What is it that you believe they're doing to beat you?
Why?
February 12th, 2018 at 7:08:27 PM
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In short, i believe they randomize - not in all wheels but wheels in my area ( because its the law) - the place where a ball lands by being able to change the polarity of the ball, effiectively, being able to either repel or attract the ball into a pocket.
February 12th, 2018 at 7:13:44 PM
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Is there a particular event that triggered your line of thinking?
It's easily proven mathematically that there's no system that can overcome the random game of roulette, so there would be no reason for them to try and cheat the player like that.
(Of course beating the wheel is something entirely different.)
It's easily proven mathematically that there's no system that can overcome the random game of roulette, so there would be no reason for them to try and cheat the player like that.
(Of course beating the wheel is something entirely different.)
February 12th, 2018 at 7:53:42 PM
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Quote: KeyserIs there a particular event that triggered your line of thinking?
It's easily proven mathematically that there's no system that can overcome the random game of roulette, so there would be no reason for them to try and cheat the player like that.
(Of course beating the wheel is something entirely different.)
I was playing on a hybrid live dealer, stadium seating roulette, and the ball does what i call a violent settle from fret to fret into the number 17 pocket, stopped moving for a split second then popped all the way up to the track where the dealer starts spinning it at, and then went all the way to the other side of the wheel.
And Why? It has NOTHING To do with the casino, but the organization that allows the caisno to reside within its state. The state has a stake in the business and must get its payment no matter what. Its the gaming control board that picks the machines within its casinos doors.
February 12th, 2018 at 8:22:14 PM
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Hello, and welcome into the daylight :)Quote: heatmapHello all! This is my very first post on this forum.
They don't need to: The house edge at roulette IS constant: It's a constant probability that is quite easily calculated. The 'takings' might go up or down a bit as random chance is in play, and the casino lives with that by taking a massive number of games. No amount of 'changing polarity' of a ball could change that. Remember that the balls are symmetrical spheres and even if they were steel and magnetised, the north pole would still be at one end of a sphere and the south pole at the other: As the ball rotates lots of times, nothing could keep track of that. The casino could use electromagnets in the slots of the wheel, but would be drummed out of business when caught. It's just not going to happen. If you want to make money from your concept, sell your story to a judge or the press. You'd get no-where and rightly so as there is no real world science to your explanation.Quote:Let me give you a quick history. I was infatuated with roulette and beating it, but to my dismay, and lots of patent research, ive learned of a process which allows them to "randomize" more than just the rotor or ball speed so to say.
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But i love learning about new concepts which allow the casino to succeed and retain a CONSTANT edge against the players.
Well, Far be it from me to leap into your conversation, but for the dealer to set up cards in mid game would need incredible skill and deep knowledge of the order of cards in the shoe and ability to misdeal. They simply don't need to even if they could. These aren't impossible hands: They are hands that you perceive as unlikely. But as you watch lots of hands, you will see lots of individually unlikely or remarkable outcomes. That's perfectly normal random behaviour.Quote:To the crazy part - and my question for the WIZARD :
I have this slight feeling that the shufflers are using a techinque called the Iterated Prisoners Dilemma to set up hands.
NO defect: Just a bad round for the table: They happen.. . often.Quote:...This is the DEFECT which leads to an impossible dealer win.
Anyhow, I'm glad you've walked away from roulette: It's house edge is MASSIVE and unassailable. There is no skill in the game and little chance of overcoming it with luck. Blackjack, if played with just BS, has about as nice and low an edge as you could dream of.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 12th, 2018 at 8:35:13 PM
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Im not looking for opinions to be honest. I have a pretty solid trail of proof to prove my point. The problem you have here is that I have been proving my point for the past 2 years over at my other forum and I dont feel like repeating myself. I don't mind some critisism but prove me wrong otherwise. Im not saying I found a system that works, Im telling you i have patent proof that tells you exactly how to attract and repel a ball by changing its polarity.
google com /patents/US9114940
google com /patents/US9114940
February 12th, 2018 at 8:56:51 PM
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If you wrote that patent, then good luck monetising it. If you see how that proves anything about your crooked roulette wheel, encounter, then you understand physics far better than I do ( I only graduated B.Sc in physics with electronics).Quote: heatmapIm not looking for opinions to be honest. I have a pretty solid trail of proof to prove my point. The problem you have here is that I have been proving my point for the past 2 years over at my other forum and I dont feel like repeating myself. I don't mind some critisism but prove me wrong otherwise. Im not saying I found a system that works, Im telling you i have patent proof that tells you exactly how to attract and repel a ball by changing its polarity.
google com /patents/US9114940
I'm not criticising anything and I have no wish to prove anything. If you want to, do. If you don't want to, don't. I'm sure you didn't post to get argued with, so let's not. You possibly anticipated some replies. All good as I see it.
Anyhow, wasn't your question about Blackjack?
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 12th, 2018 at 9:07:28 PM
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Maybe you can shed some light on this then for me and tell me exactly how im wrong. The citations within the patent have 2 mentions of roulette wheels. I dont think its fair to call things rigged or crooked anymore. The casinos at least around me have made it clear that they dont choose the devices within its walls and that the gaming control board is the ones who do it. Why wouldnt the casinos cheat the player? because they dont even have a chance to as they dont order and install the machines. What the casino does is provide a fair experience to everyone without letting single people gain an advantage. Working in teams is different.
February 12th, 2018 at 9:12:59 PM
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And im going to be honest because im a fair guy ;)
This is what I DONT know :
I dont know that there is any kind of apparatus that would go into a pocket of a roulette wheel because i havent found a reference anywhere to in on the internet, and its my own prediciton. although i wont admit that it isnt possible.
second the only proof i have is that patent, of which took me forever to find.
I dont have the videos of the ball bouncing violently out of a pocket after its settled. but i remember it like it was yesterday.
This is what I DONT know :
I dont know that there is any kind of apparatus that would go into a pocket of a roulette wheel because i havent found a reference anywhere to in on the internet, and its my own prediciton. although i wont admit that it isnt possible.
second the only proof i have is that patent, of which took me forever to find.
I dont have the videos of the ball bouncing violently out of a pocket after its settled. but i remember it like it was yesterday.
February 12th, 2018 at 9:24:58 PM
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What is the payout for blackjack there?
February 12th, 2018 at 9:26:02 PM
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3 dollars for every 2
February 12th, 2018 at 9:37:45 PM
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Quote:
I have this slight feeling that the shufflers are using a techinque called the Iterated Prisoners Dilemma to set up hands.
I'm assuming that you're counting card to try and get an edge. Do you feel this is taking place only when the count is favorable to the player?
February 12th, 2018 at 9:44:48 PM
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actually no im pretty fresh in this game. ive always been under the impression it was bad to do (haha). but i am slowly starting to try at least. I use the ad both cards up in one hand to get one score and then calculate the next hand with the last score method when i do try it (i have severe adhd and cant pay attention makeing me the perfect target for gambling). I do notice people trying to count cards but there is too much activity around each table, as in too much vairance within the amount of players coming and going all the time.
February 12th, 2018 at 9:51:39 PM
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If you're not an AP, then why are you so worried about all of these conspiracies? The casinos house edge is more than enough to beat you and keep you as a consistent loser over time without having to resort to "Iterated Prisoners Dilemma" or "repulsive roulette balls."
February 12th, 2018 at 9:58:50 PM
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Im not AP when it comes to blackjack, but i will label myself AP when it comes to roulette. Which is why I know what i know and have dug as deep as i did. I am also not claiming that these things can be seen anywhere else but where I live. I can show you exactly what I am speaking about when it comes to the prisoners dilemma at any table. You can walk from table to table at any time and usually see each dealer pulling 21 from nothing.
February 12th, 2018 at 10:03:40 PM
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Quote: heatmapi will label myself AP when it comes to roulette.
If I could summarize this entire thread in one sentence , there it is
You should get in touch with EvenBobs friend who had 137 straight winning roulette sessions. You roulette APs need to band together against the doubters .. and math
February 12th, 2018 at 10:04:12 PM
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Quote: heatmapi will label myself AP when it comes to roulette.
What kind of an AP roulette player are you? VB? Wheel bias? How large is your edge over the casino?
February 13th, 2018 at 12:05:29 AM
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What if the ball never behaved as you thought you saw it and your mind played tricks on you?
I am a robot.
February 13th, 2018 at 12:08:17 AM
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*Tin foil hat area*
In my 7 years dealing roulette, I notice the ball is made of plastic and its a game of physics (like craps). There is literally nothing the casino can do to make you lose worse than roulette already is. Also, no casino pays the dealers enough to be in on it.
If you really think they are after you personally, then you should probably call that 800 number about problem gambling.
In my 7 years dealing roulette, I notice the ball is made of plastic and its a game of physics (like craps). There is literally nothing the casino can do to make you lose worse than roulette already is. Also, no casino pays the dealers enough to be in on it.
If you really think they are after you personally, then you should probably call that 800 number about problem gambling.
February 13th, 2018 at 4:56:06 AM
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Quote: heatmapIm not AP when it comes to blackjack, but i will label myself AP when it comes to roulette.
Hi again,
I'm really sorry, heatmap, but your posts here are going to get critical analysis. Don't take personal offence as your ideas get shredded and, dare I say, mocked.
How can you conceivably be an AP with roulette?
Ignoring your blackjack observations for a moment: You suggest that your casino uses dubious hardware to eject the ball from some pockets at times where it is to their advantage to do so. Surely you realise that such knowledge would give you a MASSIVE cash advantage? Don't write about it: Exploit it!
I don't for one millisecond believe that your casino does this ( oh, and that patent DOES NOT describe the process that you describe ). But if they did, consider this: They would only have an incentive to eject the ball from a number, if the amount staked on that number was a significantly bigger risk to them than the total staked on all the other numbers into which the ball would be directed. So, watch the table: watch all the numbers with significant wagers, and then make an equal modest wager on all the other numbers. Use combination bets to simplify your attack. The casino would be helping you to win at the expense of the high roller being cheated, because they don't want the other 'high roller' to win. With the casino cheating in your favour, what could go wrong?
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 13th, 2018 at 5:01:09 AM
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There are a few card counting techniques, but this is not a meaningful description of any part of any viable system that I recognise. Maybe you could provide a link to a full description of this 'method'Quote: heatmapI use the add both cards up in one hand to get one score and then calculate the next hand with the last score method
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 13th, 2018 at 5:21:05 AM
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Quote: OnceDearHow can you conceivably be an AP with roulette?
I don't think you can flatly say it is impossible, I don't care to look up cases but there have been wheels determined to not produce random results and so wheel trackers who had a slight edge. Perhaps we can entertain the possibility certain croupiers are either sloppy about procedure or, even, talented, allowing chance of prediction.
I won't count people who have tried to come up with special equipment to track velocity and all that, since that equipment of course has to be hidden.
On the other hand, if the OP was a tracker of biased wheels or desirable croupiers it seems he would simply come out and say so, making you right that he is no AP in roulette.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
February 13th, 2018 at 5:27:23 AM
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Indeed. There are Visual Balistics experts and biased wheel exploiters, and potentially bonus exploits that might make for an AP. Plus my newly invented technique of riding on the back of a cheating ball ejecting wheel. But the OP gives no description of which type of AP technique he adopts. My question goes to the heart of assessing the reliability of his judgement.Quote: odiousgambitI don't think you can flatly say it is impossible,...
Exactly.Quote:On the other hand, if the OP was a tracker of biased wheels or desirable croupiers it seems he would simply come out and say so, making you right that he is no AP in roulette.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 13th, 2018 at 3:41:56 PM
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Quote: OdiusgambitPerhaps we can entertain the possibility certain croupiers are either sloppy about procedure or, even, talented, allowing chance of prediction.
I don't know why a roulette AP would need to rely on a dealer. I also can't understand why someone jumps into conspiracy theories when the house edge is more than sufficient to wipe out someones bankroll over time. These days, gamblers are dumb enough that casinos can openly cheat by offering 6/5 games, rather than having to resort to some obscure cheat/shuffle move.
February 13th, 2018 at 6:52:25 PM
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Is it possible that shufflers are rigging the game? Theoretically, I suppose, but the odds against it are extremely long. First of all, the people at the shuffle machine company would have to be in on it. And then everyone who knew about it at the casino would have to be keeping it quiet and not say calling the gaming commission. Plus there is the cut which basically randomizes the deck. Now technically there are some rigged orders that work no matter where the deck is cut so we can't definitively rule it out yet, but if I was a gambling man (and I am) I'd put the odds of you being cheated at least 10,000:1 against. Plus you could just switch casinos or dealers or whatever, I mean even if by some absurd coincidence of fate one place was cheating the odds of two places having some rigged shuffling machine would be truly astronomical.
I think the most logical explanation is that the mind is very adept at recognizing patterns even where none exist and that you are actually playing a straight up game but losing at a rate of roughly 2% on account of your basic strategy errors and desperately trying to externalize the blame for this loss to someone else.
I think the most logical explanation is that the mind is very adept at recognizing patterns even where none exist and that you are actually playing a straight up game but losing at a rate of roughly 2% on account of your basic strategy errors and desperately trying to externalize the blame for this loss to someone else.
February 14th, 2018 at 5:24:06 AM
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I don't doubt yall are correct but I'd like someone who has even heard of the iterated prisoners dilemma to let me know if it's 1. Even possible to apply to blackjack and 2. Why it's not possible
February 14th, 2018 at 5:56:14 AM
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And to be honest this is the Internet I don't really care what anyone says to me I'm not taking it personally I'd rather you be honest than lie to me, even if you don't know you are lying because I know it had good intentions anyways ;)
February 14th, 2018 at 12:29:35 PM
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I'd love to get a job at a casino that regularly cheated ,to the point that all the dealers were in on it. Best AP move ever.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
February 14th, 2018 at 5:33:07 PM
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Quote: billryanI'd love to get a job at a casino that regularly cheated ,to the point that all the dealers were in on it. Best AP move ever.
Im going to be the first you ever hear that doesnt blame the casino. Its the gaming control board, at least around my area, who oredered all machines within the walls of the casino. The casino is a SHELL that houses employees.
The employees are not in on it, because they dont need to be when any kind of computer is involved.
Computers do so much more than you can imagine that it would probably take a lifetime for you to list the tasks that one computer does in 1 hour.
Its time to take into account WHAT ISNT ILLEGAL. Its time to say I dont believe humans are good at heart when everyone from stockholders to the states that house these casinos are EXPECTING, not GAMBLING for a chance at your money.
Edit : Plus are you sure not everyone who keeps saying "the casinos wouldnt do that they wouldnt risk their license" - isnt insane - repeatedly saying the same thing over and over - yet still lose more than occasionally - because with my theory the casino didnt risk their license as the state invites the casinos into their borders.
February 14th, 2018 at 6:25:42 PM
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I believe you're mistaking the normal action of the bouncing ball for something nefarious. Other than seeing the ball bounce out oddly do you feel that your method just isn't winning as often as it should? Do you have any stats?
February 14th, 2018 at 7:40:39 PM
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Quote: KeyserI believe you're mistaking the normal action of the bouncing ball for something nefarious. Other than seeing the ball bounce out oddly do you feel that your method just isn't winning as often as it should? Do you have any stats?
When you bounce anything it normally bounces up and the next time it bounces it's lower than its last bounce. I'm sorry but if you were me, had seen a ball settle into a pocket, aka stopped moving, then bounces back up to the height of the bowl and landed into another spot, you wouldn't believe anyone else either. There's nothing you can do to convince me that what I saw did not happen or that it's POSSIBLE for a ball to bounce on its own after it settled.
February 14th, 2018 at 9:42:03 PM
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Quote: heatmapWhen you bounce anything it normally bounces up and the next time it bounces it's lower than its last bounce. I'm sorry but if you were me, had seen a ball settle into a pocket, aka stopped moving, then bounces back up to the height of the bowl and landed into another spot, you wouldn't believe anyone else either. There's nothing you can do to convince me that what I saw did not happen or that it's POSSIBLE for a ball to bounce on its own after it settled.
7 years dealing roulette, never seen that happen. I think your eyes are playing tricks on you..i mean you are trying to watch a ball spin in one direction, while a wheel spins in another direction..that probably will **** with your brain
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February 14th, 2018 at 9:58:17 PM
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Quote: heatmapWhen you bounce anything it normally bounces up and the next time it bounces it's lower than its last bounce. I'm sorry but if you were me, had seen a ball settle into a pocket, aka stopped moving, then bounces back up to the height of the bowl and landed into another spot, you wouldn't believe anyone else either. There's nothing you can do to convince me that what I saw did not happen or that it's POSSIBLE for a ball to bounce on its own after it settled.
Did you see this once as it sounds like or many times? It could have been an anomaly. When you have centrifugal force of multiple spinning objects plus struts you cant expect the ball to have successive smaller bounces every time.
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
February 14th, 2018 at 10:00:57 PM
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I get it you've never experienced what I've experienced but the laws and technology might be world's apart from each other. I'm not 99 percent convinced I'm 100 percent convinced I've seen what I have seen. I wasn't drunk or anything because everyone knows that it gets you off of your game.
Are you paid to spend as much time to get topics off topic or something? Your putting a lot of effort into trying to make me doubt myself. I don't need to doubt what I've seen because I never will. It's what made me stop playing at the stadium roulette. And was a big influence on stopping all together. This isn't a hallucination it's real and had real consequences to the casinos although small and irrelevant to them.
Are you paid to spend as much time to get topics off topic or something? Your putting a lot of effort into trying to make me doubt myself. I don't need to doubt what I've seen because I never will. It's what made me stop playing at the stadium roulette. And was a big influence on stopping all together. This isn't a hallucination it's real and had real consequences to the casinos although small and irrelevant to them.
February 14th, 2018 at 10:07:25 PM
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Quote: darkozDid you see this once as it sounds like or many times? It could have been an anomaly. When you have centrifugal force of multiple spinning objects plus struts you cant expect the ball to have successive smaller bounces every time.
Yes. Once.
I've also seen what I think is an exact same spin, exact same bounce, exact same result, except the first bounce created a floater, and the second time it did the same bounce into the same pockets except it landed into 5. I have to note there were 2 people better what would be considered relatively big to the table min. It missed there numbers the first time with a floater and then they both won after a no spin was announced,
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February 15th, 2018 at 2:03:57 AM
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So was the award-winning journalist who claims he saw 18 yo's in a row and didn't bet it.Quote: heatmapI'm not 99 percent convinced I'm 100 percent convinced I've seen what I have seen.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
February 15th, 2018 at 2:11:11 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfSo was the award-winning journalist who claims he saw 18 yo's in a row and didn't bet it.
Hes probably too new to the forum to get the reference
Still i have to ask heatmap. If nothing can change your mind then what guidance are you seeking here
This is not a site where people will blindly agree. Evidence irrefutable (and usually in múltiples of thousands not just seeing something once) is the norm for this sites members
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
February 15th, 2018 at 4:04:19 AM
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If I thought the roulette game was doing this 'kick the ball out' thing, I would be delighted. Especially if I had reason to believe they were after me personally.
Why? you couldnt ask for anything more exploitable. I'd be hoping they would try to get me on something with low variance, like betting on red or black. When I made my little bet on red, my confederate would make a much larger bet on black. The tough part would be pretending to be disappointed when I saw the ball go flying in the air.
Now it would be harder a bit if they just tried to get any big bettor. I think you would want to wait till you watched one who bet on sections, then bet on the other sections, making sure you had a smaller bet, if he wasn't betting on black or red
I keep going back to this: if anybody is so dumb he catches a casino cheating but can't benefit, isn't it really a bit much for us to accept that he isn't too stupid to be able to know whether his losing money is actually due to cheating or not? At the very least he should come here explaining how brilliant the cheating is, the casino being so smart they could do it and no one could exploit it.
Why? you couldnt ask for anything more exploitable. I'd be hoping they would try to get me on something with low variance, like betting on red or black. When I made my little bet on red, my confederate would make a much larger bet on black. The tough part would be pretending to be disappointed when I saw the ball go flying in the air.
Now it would be harder a bit if they just tried to get any big bettor. I think you would want to wait till you watched one who bet on sections, then bet on the other sections, making sure you had a smaller bet, if he wasn't betting on black or red
I keep going back to this: if anybody is so dumb he catches a casino cheating but can't benefit, isn't it really a bit much for us to accept that he isn't too stupid to be able to know whether his losing money is actually due to cheating or not? At the very least he should come here explaining how brilliant the cheating is, the casino being so smart they could do it and no one could exploit it.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
February 15th, 2018 at 4:32:53 AM
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In this case, better try the slots. After my experience, there is a bigger chance of winning something than with roulette. Especially if you follow some instructions
February 15th, 2018 at 4:50:16 AM
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Are you the friend Nathan was talking about?Quote: robertb6In this case, better try the slots. After my experience, there is a bigger chance of winning something than with roulette. Especially if you follow some instructions
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
February 15th, 2018 at 8:14:48 PM
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I'm going to tell you all that it does spit out money. But not for me. I've seen thousands upon thousands of dollars won in front of me.
February 16th, 2018 at 10:11:31 AM
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What spits out money?
February 16th, 2018 at 11:24:35 AM
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The ATM after using whatever cockamamie betting system that's being touted.Quote: KeyserWhat spits out money?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
February 16th, 2018 at 1:03:22 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfThe ATM after using whatever cockamamie betting system that's being touted.
HAHA betting system. I wish. Who said anything about beating a randomized wheel in any way? Im just telling you what I've seen.
If you all want to know which "system" i used ill tell you.
Very basic system. Based on the american wheel layout. If anyone cares, the columns have what I deem to be a weakness in how they are laid out. Column 2 and 3 are on the opposite ends of the wheel of each other, aka half and half so to say. Although thats not the weakness, they do contain another weakness that adds to the larger "weakness" as i call it. Both columns have 4 numbers in a row on each side of the wheel, meaning, each quarter of the wheel is 4 numbers laid out in succession. Now to the bigger "weakness" . When you combine column 1 and column 2, OR, column 1 and column 3, you gain what I call the best possible coverage based on the stretch of numbers being covered.
This was the BASIS of which I combine with visual ballistics or watching where the ball started relative to which number and where it started to drop and which numbers it dropped on and then finally how many bounces i see.
Ive tried everything, except what people are saying is finding a biased wheel by collecting spin data and what not.
February 16th, 2018 at 1:11:29 PM
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This original thread was to ask if the game of blackjack can have something called a prisoners dilemma applied to it. I am very very sorry it turned into this but from the research ive done, i do not for one minute believe that the roulette wheels around me are what everyone else might call fair. The thing is that the laws in my area specify that each wheel on the Live Dealer ETG are held up to a 95% chi squared test, and are immediately shut down on the spot if they do not conform to the test. In the laws, however, there is what I call a loophole which allows the same wheels to be used within the casino floors. After this point im done debaing about roulette and just want to know if somehow, some way, the game of blackjack can be turned into a mathematical game that then has whats called a prisoners dilemma applied within each round of the game.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:04:48 PM
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What you're doing isn't visual ballistics. What you're doing won't give you an edge.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:32:10 PM
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Quote: KeyserWhat you're doing isn't visual ballistics. What you're doing won't give you an edge.
BAHAHA now i know you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:36:10 PM
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Quote: KeyserWhat you're doing isn't visual ballistics. What you're doing won't give you an edge.
^^^ What he said ^^^
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
February 16th, 2018 at 2:36:30 PM
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See ya guys, i hope your imaginations grow bigger then just reading about what others have said in books and what you all have heard from casino personnel for years. The people in this thread are pretty ignorant as you just tell me that what im saying is wrong without providing proof, video, mathematically or anything of the physical nature to allow everyone to make the decision yourself. I trust my eyes, and not people who just want to doubt based on what they think. you arent in the same location as me so you cant for sure doubt what im saying. technology is far beyond the feeble minds of this place and all i wanted was an answer to a hypothetical math problem. good riddance.
