blackorange
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September 29th, 2010 at 1:09:40 PM permalink
Hi all, Im new to blackjack and am still trying to get some clear info, irrespective of the 1000 websites out there offering it, so many assume you know something, but not everything, and I am yet to fill in the blanks entirely on the subject of holes cards, as I haven't seen this at play in australia here.

What I've gathered is that the dealer checks for bj, asks for insurance, then if he does clears the table, otherwise plays on.

The benefit I can imagine is that if I lost out, I would only lose my original bet (or half), rather than doubling up/splitting and potentially throwing away a heap.

Having 'hole card' play is good for the player, yes?

cheers
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September 29th, 2010 at 1:41:00 PM permalink
The dealer should ask for insurance prior to checking for blackjack.

I might be wrong about this, but I think the rule has always been that you only lose your original bet in the event of a split or double against a dealer blackjack. The dealer checking for blackjack prior to play just saves time and eliminates cards being pulled needlessly from the shoe. More hands per hour for the casino.
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September 29th, 2010 at 2:00:15 PM permalink
Except, I believe, at SouthPoint where the hand is played out before a dealer looks at his card. No peek, no mirror, no nothing. Atleast, so I understand from what I've read.
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September 29th, 2010 at 2:09:13 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Except, I believe, at SouthPoint where the hand is played out before a dealer looks at his card. No peek, no mirror, no nothing. Atleast, so I understand from what I've read.



I could be wrong, but I thought they used the mirror to check with an ace up. If it is a 10 up, they don't peek at all. If the dealer does get a blackjack, the player will lose only his original wager.
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September 29th, 2010 at 2:17:16 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Except, I believe, at SouthPoint where the hand is played out before a dealer looks at his card. No peek, no mirror, no nothing. Atleast, so I understand from what I've read.



I was there earlier in the week, and you are correct, there is no mirror on the table and they do not peek. However, you will only lose your original bet if the dealer has BJ, even if you've split/doubled, etc.
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September 29th, 2010 at 2:41:23 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

I was there earlier in the week, and you are correct, there is no mirror on the table and they do not peek. However, you will only lose your original bet if the dealer has BJ, even if you've split/doubled, etc.



I stand corrected then. I think I confused the South Point with the Suncoast. It is easy to do, they look very similar.
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September 29th, 2010 at 3:23:38 PM permalink
Quote: blackorange


Having 'hole card' play is good for the player, yes?

cheers
blackorange


I was just reading some articles at the Wizard of Odds site
This page does a great job on explaining the differences.
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/australian.html

I know in the Reno area a few casinos still have No Peek Blackjack. I think its useless. I think some casinos are under the impression that it makes the game go faster.
To play out all hands just to lose your original bet.
Seems to slow the game down since most players then start asking questions.
DJTeddyBear
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September 29th, 2010 at 3:30:28 PM permalink
It does seem silly to play out rather than check. How can doing anything else do anything other than slow down the game?

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I seem to recall that in many foreign casinos they dealer doesn't take a hole card until after all the players play out their hands.

I also believe that in at least some of them, the entire wager, doubles and splits included, are at risk if the dealer draws a BJ.
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September 29th, 2010 at 4:24:03 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

It does seem silly to play out rather than check. How can doing anything else do anything other than slow down the game?


DJ, I agree with you. When I taught dealers school in Reno way back in the 90s, I had to teach both ways. Peek and No Peek. The Dealers hand always received a hole card, unlike it is now played in Europe. None of the dealers I knew liked it, so I guess go figure.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

I seem to recall that in many foreign casinos they dealer doesn't take a hole card until after all the players play out their hands.

I also believe that in at least some of them, the entire wager, doubles and splits included, are at risk if the dealer draws a BJ.


That sounds like to me a higher HE for the players. something most players are not aware of.
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September 29th, 2010 at 5:52:01 PM permalink
Quote: 7craps

That sounds like to me a higher HE for the players. something most players are not aware of.

I agree. Then again, I wouldn't split or double even if the dealer peeks and doesn't have BJ! So against a no peek? Fuggedaboudit!
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