billryan
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August 7th, 2017 at 1:16:52 PM permalink
Met the world's leading authority on BJ last night, on a $3 table at Jokers Wild..
I know this because he told me so, repeatedly. I'd like to think he suffered from a form of Asperger, but more likely he was just a dick
He joined a mostly full table with a $35 buy in and proceeded to tell everyone how to play their hand. No idea where he got his stats, but say someone had a 9vs7, he say something like if you hit you win 57% of the time but if you double, it goes down to 52%.
He would throw out stats on almost every hand, try to correct people if they weren't playing BS, and even tried to buy a woman's blackjack when she was going to take even money on it. Offered her $3.15 for it. He chased away most of the players in about fifteen minutes. When it got down to the two of us, he told me that we now would be getting 117 hands an hour, instead of the 56 per rate we were on. After a few hands, he asked me if I knew any teams he could hook up with. Then he told me that he could beat any casino game because he exploits mathematical paradoxes that computers can't simulate. He'd turned his $35 into $49 and said it was very important to know when to quit. A few hands later, he got his third BJ of the night and cashed out. Told me he enjoyed playing with me and hoped I'd learned something. Tipped the dealer a dollar and vanished into the night.
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August 7th, 2017 at 1:22:20 PM permalink
Nice to hear you met ZK...
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August 7th, 2017 at 4:35:38 PM permalink
Why is it that these "experts" are always on the lowest limit tables?
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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August 7th, 2017 at 5:36:25 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Why is it that these "experts" are always on the lowest limit tables?



At Jokers Wild, it's also the highest limit table during the week. Guy never spread his bets, except once he went to $5 and caught a nineteen vs Dealer seven. He looked like he wanted to self high five.
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August 7th, 2017 at 9:38:36 PM permalink
50% of statistics are made up on the spot 90% of the time.
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August 7th, 2017 at 10:22:11 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

50% of statistics are made up on the spot 90% of the time.


I saw it on the internet so it must be true.
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August 8th, 2017 at 12:37:17 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Met the world's leading authority on BJ last night, on a $3 table at Jokers Wild..
I know this because he told me so, repeatedly. I'd like to think he suffered from a form of Asperger, but more likely he was just a dick
He joined a mostly full table with a $35 buy in and proceeded to tell everyone how to play their hand. No idea where he got his stats, but say someone had a 9vs7, he say something like if you hit you win 57% of the time but if you double, it goes down to 52%.
He would throw out stats on almost every hand, try to correct people if they weren't playing BS, and even tried to buy a woman's blackjack when she was going to take even money on it. Offered her $3.15 for it. He chased away most of the players in about fifteen minutes. When it got down to the two of us, he told me that we now would be getting 117 hands an hour, instead of the 56 per rate we were on. After a few hands, he asked me if I knew any teams he could hook up with. Then he told me that he could beat any casino game because he exploits mathematical paradoxes that computers can't simulate. He'd turned his $35 into $49 and said it was very important to know when to quit. A few hands later, he got his third BJ of the night and cashed out. Told me he enjoyed playing with me and hoped I'd learned something. Tipped the dealer a dollar and vanished into the night.

I think a few of us might actually know who this guy is.
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August 8th, 2017 at 12:52:54 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I think a few of us might actually know who this guy is.


I'm pretty sure I've played with him a few years ago. He was also asking the pit boss stuff like, "Who's the best BJ player in the world, me, right?" and the boss was like, "[to table] Yeah, this guy is the best blackjack player in the world."

Like WTF????
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August 8th, 2017 at 1:21:19 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Why is it that these "experts" are always on the lowest limit tables?



This is also true on poker.

I ran into a semi-regular recently. This guy who will tell you how rich he is within 5 minutes of meeting you. Which could be true, I guess.

He also just spouts out these %s. e.g. when he loses a hand, "well you hand a 17% chance of winning that and you got it, so great job buddy."

Or when he folds, "well, I'm 37% here and I'm not a donkey so I'm going to fold."

As near as I can tell, he just pulls the numbers from thin air. Sometimes, when he gives a % and says that is why he is folding, it would be correct to call, assuming the percentage was accurate.

I wonder if he thinks he is accurate, or if he thinks other people believe him, etc.
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August 8th, 2017 at 2:01:57 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

This is also true on poker.

I ran into a semi-regular recently. This guy who will tell you how rich he is within 5 minutes of meeting you. Which could be true, I guess.

He also just spouts out these %s. e.g. when he loses a hand, "well you hand a 17% chance of winning that and you got it, so great job buddy."

Or when he folds, "well, I'm 37% here and I'm not a donkey so I'm going to fold."

As near as I can tell, he just pulls the numbers from thin air. Sometimes, when he gives a % and says that is why he is folding, it would be correct to call, assuming the percentage was accurate.

I wonder if he thinks he is accurate, or if he thinks other people believe him, etc.



Sounds like the new meta.
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August 8th, 2017 at 7:49:58 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

50% of statistics are made up on the spot 90% of the time.



That's only 60% true.
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August 8th, 2017 at 8:01:13 AM permalink
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Sounds like the new meta.

Nothing new. Ever since poker blew up in 2003 from Moneymaker you see all kinds of these "pros" mumbling to themselves because they've heard words like "pot odds" and "implied odds" on TV. They have no idea what they mean, but to be good they know they're supposed to consider them! I've heard so many WRONG statistics at a poker table for over a decade it's insane. This is not a new meta... I even give a 5% deviation window (if you're within 5% either way you're 'close enough' to be considered right). People just have no clue what they're talking about but figure no one else does so if they start shouting numbers then they look smart.

Then again it depends on your table. Sit with a bunch of people that actually know them, then intentionally spout off very incorrect numbers and watch them all start to salivate ;-).
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August 8th, 2017 at 8:35:44 AM permalink
My concern would be you have a player who chases away other players from the only open table. If he does that on a regular basis, he is affecting the casinos bottom line and reputation.
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August 8th, 2017 at 8:40:35 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

My concern would be you have a player who chases away other players from the only open table. If he does that on a regular basis, he is affecting the casinos bottom line and reputation.

...more than a counter, probably =).
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August 8th, 2017 at 3:13:20 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Nothing new. Ever since poker blew up in 2003 from Moneymaker you see all kinds of these "pros" mumbling to themselves because they've heard words like "pot odds" and "implied odds" on TV. They have no idea what they mean, but to be good they know they're supposed to consider them! I've heard so many WRONG statistics at a poker table for over a decade it's insane. This is not a new meta... I even give a 5% deviation window (if you're within 5% either way you're 'close enough' to be considered right). People just have no clue what they're talking about but figure no one else does so if they start shouting numbers then they look smart.

Then again it depends on your table. Sit with a bunch of people that actually know them, then intentionally spout off very incorrect numbers and watch them all start to salivate ;-).


Bruh it was sarcasm.

Being a supposed "pro" halo player, you should know when someone does something truly awful and just wrong, the proper thing to say is something like, "Thay could be the new meta." People probably said it all the time to you. ;)
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August 9th, 2017 at 10:50:52 PM permalink
In my video poker classes, some folks look at me the same way.

I'll tell them that drawing three perfect cards (like ending up with a royal starting from a suited KQ) is 16,000 to 1 against you --- approx. Some people assume I know what I'm talking about --- and some are sure I'm pulling numbers out of my ass.

But --- it's a class --- and people show up to listen to me --- so probably most give me the benefit of the doubt.

Out when I'm playing, I virtually never offer unsolicited advice --- and with people who ask for advice more than once or twice (unless they are a good friend), I usually tell them I'm working and need to concentrate.

I advertise myself for my classes as "America's premier video poker writer and teacher." Some people buy that. Some people don't. It's no longer important to me to try to convince the doubters or correct the haters. Life is too short.
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