MrBibboHD
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July 3rd, 2017 at 1:26:20 PM permalink
Hi everyone, I started card counting and I find it easier to do it in online casinos with live dealers. The only problem is that I didn't find a live casino with more than 50% penetration in blackjack. Does anyone know if there is a online casino site with at least 60% deck penetration?

Thanks :)
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July 3rd, 2017 at 1:49:11 PM permalink
Quote: MrBibboHD

Hi everyone, I started card counting and I find it easier to do it in online casinos with live dealers. The only problem is that I didn't find a live casino with more than 50% penetration in blackjack. Does anyone know if there is a online casino site with at least 60% deck penetration?

Thanks :)


Hi New user.
Bad news. Do it manually and you are doomed to a boring life of poor returns.
I can card count online live dealer and have done so. Typical rules 8 deck 50% pen. What I saw is that for about 5 hours of table hopping and counting, to best find advantages, I might get to wong in and place 1 to 10 wagers in total per day. I've watched one guy playing the $5 table and upping his bet 100, 200, upto 500 with the count. Personally, I just wonged in or out on 1% advantage and kelly bet. They emailed me to tell me to stop card counting after a couple months and banned my ass the next day. The other guy got booted too aftert 3 vmonths, or maybe he went broke.
You have to remember that with 50% penn, high counts are super rare.
But worse, the cards are bar code read. The online gaffs run analysis progs that flag an AP within a matter of hours because a player ramping on count or wonging will be bog onvious, then they can ban him any time AND CONFISCATE his bankroll on that day.
It just ain't worth it. PM me for the secret bits I left out.
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July 3rd, 2017 at 2:07:35 PM permalink
I read interesting things about baccarat counting online once
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July 3rd, 2017 at 2:08:03 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Hi New user.
Bad news. Do it manually and you are doomed to a boring life of poor returns.



Implies you've had better luck doing it automatically - but wouldn't the online casinos be able to ban you/confiscate your roll just the same?
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July 10th, 2017 at 7:42:44 AM permalink
Hi MrBibbo, and welcome to the forums.

You're on the right trail, but asking the wrong question(s). 60% penetration for a shoe game is AWFUL and logically unbeatable (unless you have a MASSIVE bankroll). I think the minimum you'd need to find online is about 75%, still have a decent sized bankroll, AND you'd have to get them to take your action all day when you bet from your min to max bets.

While there may be some diamond in the rough casino out there, I'm confident enough to say that you can't count online live games for a realistic profit. Sure, anyone could get lucky in a session or two, but over time the variance will kill 99.54% of players due to the HORRIFIC penetration.

Next, let's say you find that diamond in the rough, AND you have a good bankroll, AND you get them to take your action for months on end enough to get a good amount of hands in... well then you're still playing online. Have fun hoping and praying the casino actually pays you out, IF you're lucky enough to be on the good side of variance =). Lotta if's in there all for a small volatile profit.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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July 11th, 2017 at 10:07:29 AM permalink
I would generally say that it would fall under the purview of, 'Bet Structuring,' which is a violation of most online casino Terms & Conditions, so I wouldn't recommend it at all. Whether the Terms themselves are, 'Fair,' is kind of irrelevant once you have agreed to them.
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