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Ibeatyouraces
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May 24th, 2017 at 10:09:52 PM permalink
It's rotten swings like this that a lot of hole card players will never play TCP again.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
ZenKinG
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May 24th, 2017 at 10:42:55 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

You're being Warned that you might get banned for a clear violation of the Personal Insult rule (calling someone an idiot) and a clear violation of the profanity rule.

Now, you asked me to Edit a post that you made with information that could compromise your privacy and I have Edited that post. To insinuate that you're not getting fair treatment here is absurd.

You have the support of multiple Forum Members, myself included. My advice is you're not currently in the right state of mind to try to count cards because you are taking a semi-routine loss very, very badly. You said you've encountered worse losses, but it sure doesn't sound like it with these claims that you're cursed and all these games are rigged.

You're upset, I get it. You've lost a non-insubstantial percentage of your bankroll in just a few days, I understand that, too. I don't expect you to be happy right now, and I don't think anyone would.

But, you've got to do something to clear your head before you get back out there because if you play angry, desperate or upset you will make mistakes that will cost you EV. If your posts are truly representative of your current state of mind, then you need to take a couple days off to clear your head.



Is there any possible way to find out if all the cards are in fact there? Im sure these big corporations wouldnt cheat, but i cant even play anymore with that doubt in the back of my mind. This game, the swings are so wild, that it makes you think that. As crazy as this might sound to you, what can I do to find out if the cards are indeed there without sacrificing my identity? Calling gaming? That wont get anywhere. And for someone who said they're not worried about my 50k bankroll, why would you say just me? They're getting a huge edge against everyone. Just like the reason why 6:5 is offered, these are greedy corporate casino scum. This is the last industry i would expect to not cheat their customer base while keeping a smile on their face.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
monet0412
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May 24th, 2017 at 10:58:53 PM permalink
I have said this before and now again. The best way to not get cheated is to learn how to cheat. I don't understand how hard can it be to get a VP strategy and search VP websites that show plenty of full pay games in town. Of course you have to sign up for a players card though. Also I would of been long gone out of gaming if they cheat. They don't need to cheat when they have the edge in most cases!
monet0412
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May 24th, 2017 at 11:05:09 PM permalink
If ZenKing is real and in town I will pay for dinner at Hugo's Cellar if he and AxelWolf show up. I will open it to 5 other APs in town if everyone chips in for the tip. Just putting it out there. That private room can hold 10 I think so we can add 2 more for 7 instead of 5.
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May 24th, 2017 at 11:05:27 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

I've gotten ZERO support from this forum and now I'm the bad guy and am being warned that I will get banned. I'm just lost for words, don't even want to post on here anymore



Well, if your histrionics over being cursed happens to lead to you pulling a Chris Cornell, at least be man enough to leave a generous tip for the maid.

She works hard for the money.
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May 24th, 2017 at 11:11:36 PM permalink
Quote: monet0412

If ZenKing is real and in town I will pay for dinner at Hugo's Cellar if he and AxelWolf show up. I will open it to 5 other APs in town if everyone chips in for the tip. Just putting it out there.




I'm down.
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:22:21 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKing

I've gotten ZERO support from this forum


Not that I want you banned (because I don't), but that's pretty damn insulting.

Since you started posting here and asking questions about moving to LV, the members here have given you a bunch of advice. Many of us have been in your shoes, or worse. We've all come from different backgrounds and different situations.....some of us have come here in pretty good shape (money, skills, etc.), while others came here with practically no money, no car, etc. (I think Axel fits the latter). It's not all going to be top notch advice, but much of it was. But the entire time you played the whole high and mighty thing, saying we're all wrong and you know what's best.


I think it was the first thing I said and I know others have said it too -- get a (part time) job. Not necessarily for the income, but for the stability. You should meet plenty of people, you'll make some extra money, and if you were to run really bad on BJ, it's a decent fall back plan until you can build up your BR again or figure out something else to do (move home, keep playing, continue down a normal career path, etc.). And not to mention, it'll keep you away from playing 8+ hour days....as that is NOT what you should be doing when you first move to Vegas. You want to be scouting and doing some play, getting a feel for the town, how sweaty different stores are, what you can get away with, and most certainly don't want to start getting backed off and flyered in short time.


Give up all the "casinos are cheating and I'm cursed" nonsense, if you can. If you truly are cursed or the casinos are cheating, this is probably the worst career path you can follow. I don't think it's the worst career path you can follow, but I don't think you're cursed or the casinos (by and large) cheat at blackjack. If you can't give it up and do pursue blackjack as a career, you're going to have a very tough time emotionally / psychologically.

Go find something fun to do for a day or two. Walk around the block. Go excercise. Go watch a show or a movie at the movie theatre. Binge watch Netflix for 2 days straight. Just do something else for a few days. During that time, just relax. Practice on CVBJ a little bit. And every day, 10 times a day, say, "I'm ZenKinG and I am NOT the best card counter." Then spend some time getting better -- deal yourself some cards, get better at indices, go over basic strategy, take all the 10's out of the deck and practice playing those weird 5+ card hands. And whatever you do, DO NOT say, "I'm the best, my counting game is perfect." No one is the best and no one's game is perfect.
AxelWolf
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May 25th, 2017 at 1:45:17 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

If ZenKing is real and in town I will pay for dinner at Hugo's Cellar if he and AxelWolf show up. I will open it to 5 other APs in town if everyone chips in for the tip. Just putting it out there. That private room can hold 10 I think so we can add 2 more for 7 instead of 5.

I'm down. I'm kinda busy tonight. But I will actually be downtown in the evening time with my GF to see a show, not sure if we can fit dinner in. Friday and Saturday is not a good time as I'll be traveling. If not tonight, perhaps Sunday evening might be a good time.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
monet0412
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May 25th, 2017 at 1:50:51 AM permalink
It's a hockey night in Pittsburgh... game 7!! Don't think I'm gonna miss that ... we will schedule it for the future... I'm free most anytime... I also have to reserve that table/room. I plan to watch this game at the Superbook!!

Anyone else with interest... let me know! I'm also able to get suites there if some needs it.
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May 25th, 2017 at 2:33:23 AM permalink
ZK.

It would truly be foolish of you to pass up the opportunity monet is offering. Truly. If you really want to get into AP, you will show up, but before you go, you will promise yourself you will LISTEN all night, not complain about what's happened so far. Everyone heard you. They're willing to help. I'm sort of surprised that they are, because you've shown no ability to be helped so far, but try.
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AxelWolf
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May 25th, 2017 at 2:56:18 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Not that I want you banned (because I don't), but that's pretty damn insulting.

Since you started posting here and asking questions about moving to LV, the members here have given you a bunch of advice. Many of us have been in your shoes, or worse. We've all come from different backgrounds and different situations.....some of us have come here in pretty good shape (money, skills, etc.), while others came here with practically no money, no car, etc. (I think Axel fits the latter). It's not all going to be top notch advice, but much of it was. But the entire time you played the whole high and mighty thing, saying we're all wrong and you know what's best.


I think it was the first thing I said and I know others have said it too -- get a (part time) job. Not necessarily for the income, but for the stability. You should meet plenty of people, you'll make some extra money, and if you were to run really bad on BJ, it's a decent fall back plan until you can build up your BR again or figure out something else to do (move home, keep playing, continue down a normal career path, etc.). And not to mention, it'll keep you away from playing 8+ hour days....as that is NOT what you should be doing when you first move to Vegas. You want to be scouting and doing some play, getting a feel for the town, how sweaty different stores are, what you can get away with, and most certainly don't want to start getting backed off and flyered in short time.


Give up all the "casinos are cheating and I'm cursed" nonsense, if you can. If you truly are cursed or the casinos are cheating, this is probably the worst career path you can follow. I don't think it's the worst career path you can follow, but I don't think you're cursed or the casinos (by and large) cheat at blackjack. If you can't give it up and do pursue blackjack as a career, you're going to have a very tough time emotionally / psychologically.

Go find something fun to do for a day or two. Walk around the block. Go excercise. Go watch a show or a movie at the movie theatre. Binge watch Netflix for 2 days straight. Just do something else for a few days. During that time, just relax. Practice on CVBJ a little bit. And every day, 10 times a day, say, "I'm ZenKinG and I am NOT the best card counter." Then spend some time getting better -- deal yourself some cards, get better at indices, go over basic strategy, take all the 10's out of the deck and practice playing those weird 5+ card hands. And whatever you do, DO NOT say, "I'm the best, my counting game is perfect." No one is the best and no one's game is perfect.

Correct. I came on a greyhound bus with less than $300. My license was suspended for multiple unpaid tickets. To make things worst, I got a ticket for riding on the back of a motorcycle without a helmet the first night I arrived.

When I did finally stop working, I had about 1k in cash and paid up for a month in rent and bills( I also paid off my overpriced rent to own stuff. TV, stereo system, VCR and my traffic tickets). I still didn't have a car yet.

The First 6 months or so went really well. I got bought a car, moved into my own place and paid at least 6 months in advance and I bought all my own furniture. And no, I didn't get lucky or hit anything big. I played long hours. I hired a few friends and paid them $5 an hour plus bonuses and food. What I was playing at the time was not stressful. There was very little variance and it was really fun, so it didn't seem like long hours or work to me. Sleeping and eating were just a necessary annoyance at the time. I still found the time to go out and have lots of fun. After I got into bigger plays and had more money is when some things got a bit stressful. I have had to walk off plays that were going horrible and I couldn't risk losing any more money. I have had to make bad deals for myself to make money.

Along the way, I have had a few very bad personal setbacks, including almost dying and spending many months in the hospital. I couldn't even barely walk when I got out. I had to start over with nothing 2 times during my career. I swear I never cried about it or felt sorry for myself, at least not as much as ZK since he's crying over nothing. I felt sorry for my GF and worried about her, now that was stressful.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 25th, 2017 at 3:00:13 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

It's a hockey night in Pittsburgh... game 7!! Don't think I'm gonna miss that ... we will schedule it for the future... I'm free most anytime... I also have to reserve that table/room. I plan to watch this game at the Superbook!!

Anyone else with interest... let me know! I'm also able to get suites there if some needs it.



Hmmm. I'll show up for the free food, which automatically makes me an AP.
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May 25th, 2017 at 3:03:09 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Is there any possible way to find out if all the cards are in fact there? Im sure these big corporations wouldnt cheat, but i cant even play anymore with that doubt in the back of my mind. This game, the swings are so wild, that it makes you think that. As crazy as this might sound to you, what can I do to find out if the cards are indeed there without sacrificing my identity? Calling gaming? That wont get anywhere. And for someone who said they're not worried about my 50k bankroll, why would you say just me? They're getting a huge edge against everyone. Just like the reason why 6:5 is offered, these are greedy corporate casino scum. This is the last industry i would expect to not cheat their customer base while keeping a smile on their face.

Kill 2 or 3 birds with one stone. Go to dealers school(it's cheap) it will give you a break from playing at the casinos, and then get a part-time job as a dealer if needed, play when you're not working. You can see for yourself if they are cheating people. If you go bust you have a job to fall back on, one that you can do just about anywhere. I really don't know what could be a better situation for you.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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May 25th, 2017 at 3:09:06 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Hmmm. I'll show up for the free food, which automatically makes me an AP.

Ok, I'm out.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 25th, 2017 at 3:29:57 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Do you know anyone that's ever been backed off or barred from Caesars, Bellagio, or MGM for counting? I'm convinced they're in the gaming commissions pocket. These are not legit 6 deck games being offered. I have literally never won at Caesars or any of their sister properties. I've heard of people complain about MGM properties as well and I never won at those either


Actually I do know people that have been barred for counting at the properties you mentioned,but they were pros. Also I have met KewlJ.
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May 25th, 2017 at 3:58:28 AM permalink
Oh, and bring your BR to dinner ZK, we will give you a chance to double it. (-;
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
monet0412
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May 25th, 2017 at 4:04:21 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Oh, and bring your BR to dinner ZK, we will give you a chance to double it. (-;



Make sure you double back 3 or 4 times going home as well. Rent a few cars and park them in garages all over town so you can be sure to lose all the tails we put on you!!

So far I think we have 5... if Axel is bringing the GF that's 6 so if you want a spot let me know. I'll confirm if that room holds 8, 9, or 10. Stand By...we're not doing it on a hockey night and Mon-Thur is always better... we will iron it out in the next few days.

Also... if you want to deal poker... do not pay that scam/school. I and others can teach you to deal poker. Once your comfortable you go on auditions and start with the tournaments.
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May 25th, 2017 at 4:25:16 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

Make sure you double back 3 or 4 times going home as well. Rent a few cars and park them in garages all over town so you can be sure to lose all the tails we put on you!!

So far I think we have 5... if Axel is bringing the GF that's 6 so if you want a spot let me know. I'll confirm if that room holds 8, 9, or 10. Stand By...we're not doing it on a hockey night and Mon-Thur is always better... we will iron it out in the next few days.

Hockey night, is that a thing? Is it like Honky night?

Hard to say if she will go, she can probably only handle so many AP gatherings per year.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
monet0412
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May 25th, 2017 at 4:41:35 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Hockey night, is that a thing? Is it like Honky night?

Hard to say if she will go, she can probably only handle so many AP gatherings per year.



Well you know... tonight is game 7 and next week is the Stanley Cup Finals. I can't do dinner on those days. Weekends are ok but busier. Once we can coordinate who will show up and bring tip money ha ha... I can pm everyone and coordinate the day and time and make the reservations. Heck if people don't want to bother with a big dinner we can all meet up at some poker room and talk while we try to bust each other lol. Dinner is fine but getting everyone on the same page will take a few days I gather.
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May 25th, 2017 at 4:54:31 AM permalink
It's a huge opportunity for ZK to meet up with a few of you guys. He gets dinner, some advice and the chance to hit El Cortez and play some BJ where they don't "cheat" or care about counters. Then he can see how Vegas really works for BJ players.
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May 25th, 2017 at 6:23:49 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

It's a huge opportunity for ZK to meet up with a few of you guys. He gets dinner, some advice and the chance to hit El Cortez and play some BJ where they don't "cheat" or care about counters. Then he can see how Vegas really works for BJ players.



LOL... you.have to be one smart cookie to out fox the El Cortel!! Don't win too much on machines. Don't play only on 5x day!! Don't put too much coin in per session, week, month, year...etc etc! Don't play perfect BJ for more than 5 mins cause they flat bet my friend there immediately and he is a go off who they know is a go off!! Soooo just play things slow over there and you'll get around 250 a month in Free Play... 120 in food... tournament invite every month or so... good drawings and cash is king drawings... 150 a month in free play for 3000 ATM withdrawal. Ten dollar free play a day for 1941 coin in which is .5%. Great spot but go slow and use Camouflage!! You've been warned... they control the horizontal and the vertical!!

Oh and be careful... they have the Polish Mafia over there who was trained by The Guaghans who aren't very AP friendly! (sad face emoji)

On happier notes I beat them out of a ton of cash and Jackie gave me thousands of dollars playing Pan and Holdem with me and others every afternoon for a very long time! (Happy Face Emoji)

On another sad note they had some guy give some class over there years ago with the initials BD I think. Anyways a day or two later they swept almost all full pay games away and the ones they kept at snail speed went to 3 dollars per point! Coincidence??? I dunno but I hear he gives seminars all the time at another shop by the same owner that had the El Cortel at that time! (Angry Face Emoji)
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May 25th, 2017 at 7:11:17 AM permalink
Can you please do this dinner 1 month from now when I'll be in town? lol...

Quote: ZenKinG

...I got up to 60k, moved here and now down to 50k in a flash after all expenses and rent as well as the 7500 loss. If maybe you guys who claim to be so experienced can see what I'm going through and actually offer solid advice, that would be appreciated...

You've had plenty of solid advice that you've flat ignored. Past that if you lose in the game then suddenly it's "rigged" I'll just refer to Donald Trump on that one. That's a pathetic excuse. Losing happens, often. Take it like a man and show people you're a professional by pushing through it with some dignity and coming out a winner on the other side.

I've said before... Winning is the EASY part of the game. Losing, learning from it, and keeping your head in the right place while you're losing is the real play here.

Look at Axel's story, and other AP's that have shown up to this town with far less than you, and had far worse starts. Don't hear about any of them complaining it's 'rigged' because they started losing. You have no idea how good you have it, still.
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May 25th, 2017 at 7:24:20 AM permalink
I can wait for a month if everyone else wants to wait for Romes to get to town. I have so much comp over there I can do two dinners and the comp is just gonna double in the next three weeks anyways.
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May 25th, 2017 at 7:44:23 AM permalink
Quote: monet0412

I can wait for a month if everyone else wants to wait for Romes to get to town. I have so much comp over there I can do two dinners and the comp is just gonna double in the next three weeks anyways.

Oh the party doesn't have to hold on my account, just saying if you didn't have plans to do this in the next week or two, why not make it 4 weeks when I can join =P. I'd pay for myself you wouldn't have to comp, just interested in the conversation/personnel =D.
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May 25th, 2017 at 10:00:16 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Oh the party doesn't have to hold on my account, just saying if you didn't have plans to do this in the next week or two, why not make it 4 weeks when I can join =P. I'd pay for myself you wouldn't have to comp, just interested in the conversation/personnel =D.


You think you would understand my style a little bit from my posts? I'm gonna thow some shindig and have the guy in the corner have separate checks? I used to serve tables... you sound like those mother f'rs who have a party of 12 and at the end of the meal they give me 12 separate CCs and tell me to make each check individual. When you eat with me, I pick up all the tabs .... you want to throw in 20% for the servers that's fine but none of this I'll pay my own way nonsense...ok? I don't like that style at all.

Oh and none of this ordering something that is lower priced. You want Louis Trey or Dom or Lobster with your Steak... just order it. I can go up to 300 per person with a safety net of another 200 but over there dinner usually runs around 150 per person depending but I'm not some bean counter that cares about such things. Although a snifter of Louis does run 200 at that establishment. Not that I'm counting!
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May 25th, 2017 at 10:47:29 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Oh the party doesn't have to hold on my account, just saying if you didn't have plans to do this in the next week or two, why not make it 4 weeks when I can join =P. I'd pay for myself you wouldn't have to comp, just interested in the conversation/personnel =D.

At this rate, he will be broke in a month.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 25th, 2017 at 10:52:02 AM permalink
$150 a person? That's a whole cow here in Hendertucky. I guess we'll have to dress up.
Gussie up like we were going to Golden Corral or sumptin.
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May 25th, 2017 at 10:54:16 AM permalink
Does Hugos serve catfish?.
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May 25th, 2017 at 11:17:57 AM permalink
hmm.. what happened to 2Feathers?
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May 25th, 2017 at 11:20:51 AM permalink
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hmm.. what happened to 2Feathers?


Flew the coop?
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May 25th, 2017 at 11:22:35 AM permalink
I miss 2Feathers, he was crazy but very enjoyable to read.
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May 25th, 2017 at 11:58:05 AM permalink
Well I'm in. Let me know the date everyome agrees upon. It would be good to wait for Romes to show up, but like Axel said, at this rate I'm gonna be bankrupt in a month. Let's not forget who's cursed. If I had a 0.0001% chance of losing it all, you already know what will happen, unless of course I been playing against short packs at Caesars and Bellagio this whole time. Doesn't even bother me anymore, I take it with pride.

I also want to say I'm not taking this meetup for granted. I appreciate everyone wanting to meet up, even through all the stuff i have said, at the end of the day, none of you had to do this, so although i am arrogant at times, i do notice the kindness of people. Even if this is just monet's way to waste his comp dollars, and everyone is just coming for the free food, it still means a lot: I could use this to just talk and clear my mind. I need all the help I can get at this point even if it was just to tell me which job to apply to because this counting grind is becoming a joke. I feel like I have so much more go offer to thid world besides grinding out a 1-2% edge. Even thought about opening up my own business.

I still remember when bitcoin fell back to 900 a couple of months ago and I was watching it hover around 1100-1200 for some time. I just didn't know how to really go about it to buy and eventually sell. I know you can get some type of wallet or buy a physical bitcoin. The whole process just was more complicated then it need to have been. I ended up not buying and now its at 2500. Can you imagine if I just threw down 40k on it at the time? More adversity watching it go up and up as a kicker to my horrible results. Might just throw the 50k into XLP, which is one of the safest ETF's you can find. Even during the dotcom bubble and recession of 2008 it barely fell off compared to every other index fund, mutual fund and S&P. Its also been returning 10% every year for the last 10 years.
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:12:44 PM permalink
For the record... You're absolutely not getting cheated by Caesars or Bellagio in show blackjack. There, now that's been said.

Also, hind site is 20/20... If only I would have stuffed my BR on that one game where I just "knew" that team would win... I'd be a millionaire! That's not how AP's work. We figure concrete mathematical edges and expected values, then we go do what we need to achieve them. You need to get more hands so when we have dinner in a month (if that's cool with everyone) then we'll be talking about how you're UP, how silly you're being, how good you have it and don't realize, and how unnecessarily paranoid you're being on the las vegas strip.

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Ha, I was just thinking the same about 2F... Saw one of their posts in another thread and was like, I miss that crazy posters antics lol.
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:16:36 PM permalink
Here you go ZK.
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:16:50 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

For the record... You're absolutely not getting cheated by Caesars or Bellagio in show blackjack. There, now that's been said.

Also, hind site is 20/20... If only I would have stuffed my BR on that one game where I just "knew" that team would win... I'd be a millionaire! That's not how AP's work. We figure concrete mathematical edges and expected values, then we go do what we need to achieve them. You need to get more hands so when we have dinner in a month (if that's cool with everyone) then we'll be talking about how you're UP, how silly you're being, how good you have it and don't realize, and how unnecessarily paranoid you're being on the las vegas strip.



This is the first time I've actually been 'scared' to play and I hate to admit that and even using that word. But the whole ball game has changed. I'm not at my parents house free of charge. I now got expenses and I risk being labeled a failure and having to pack up and head home and having everyone tell me 'I told you so'. That's probably the biggest thing, I don't want to fail at this and prepared myself as much as I could to come out here. It took me a good 1-2 years to make sure I had enough, waited until 60k and them embarked and guess what my reward is, lose 7500 in first 16.5 hours. Its unreal man and I'm not even asking for pity. Just want you to know the frustration. Preparation and skill is completely irrelevant to me.
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:20:35 PM permalink
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This is the first time I've actually been 'scared' to play and I hate to admit that and even using that word. But the whole ball game has changed. I'm not at my parents house free of charge. I now got expenses and I risk being labeled a failure and having to pack up and head home and having everyone tell me 'I told you so'. That's probably the biggest thing, I don't want to fail at this and prepared myself as much as I could to come out here. It took me a good 1-2 years to make sure I had enough, waited until 60k and them embarked and guess what my reward is, lose 7500 in first 16.5 hours. Its unreal man and I'm not even asking for pity. Just want you to know the frustration. Preparation and skill is completely irrelevant to me.

I get where you're coming from... but what you don't realize is most of what you just said is completely erroneous. Look at your possible outcomes:

1) You keep playing... You win... You're a success and you prove your skill. All is well.

2) You keep playing... You lose... Shit happens, no one will care and if you care about internet opinions that much then who gives a shit. At least you got out of the parents house and took a shot, which is more than a lot of people can say. So who cares what anyone else thinks?

3) You stop playing and either hole up in vegas with a normal job or move back home... Again, who cares. You'll regret not pushing as hard as you can for the dream you want and the opinions of others will wash away over the constant repeating waves of regret for not pursuing your dream 100%. Again, what other people think doesn't matter here.

So pick your path... You have zero to be afraid of even though it feels daunting to have bills and other people (online) think you're a failure. Again I say... Who cares? GET MORE HANDS.
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:21:39 PM permalink
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:25:43 PM permalink
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The duck flambe thing at Hugo's is GOAT



I like that duck too but please be honest with everyone here, you really like Hugo's because they give you a rose when you go in,
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:27:36 PM permalink
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I like that duck too but please be honest with everyone here, you really like Hugo's because they give you a rose when you go in,

omg I'm gonna get a rose??? I'm gonna totally feel like I'm on the Bachelorette, and Axel will finally get to live out his dream of being on The Bachelor!
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:27:45 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

I get where you're coming from... but what you don't realize is most of what you just said is completely erroneous. Look at your possible outcomes:

1) You keep playing... You win... You're a success and you prove your skill. All is well.

2) You keep playing... You lose... Shit happens, no one will care and if you care about internet opinions that much then who gives a shit. At least you got out of the parents house and took a shot, which is more than a lot of people can say. So who cares what anyone else thinks?

3) You stop playing and either hole up in vegas with a normal job or move back home... Again, who cares. You'll regret not pushing as hard as you can for the dream you want and the opinions of others will wash away over the constant repeating waves of regret for not pursuing your dream 100%. Again, what other people think doesn't matter here.

So pick your path... You have zero to be afraid of even though it feels daunting to have bills and other people (online) think you're a failure. Again I say... Who cares? GET MORE HANDS.



When I meant people labeling me a failure, I wasn't referring to online, I was referring to my parents and friends back home who never supported me doing this. To go back and for them to think they were right without knowing anything about the game is a hard pill to swallow
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:29:42 PM permalink
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When I meant people labeling me a failure, I wasn't referring to online, I was referring to my parents and friends back home who never supported me doing this. To go back and for them to think they were right without knowing anything about the game is a hard pill to swallow

It is, but it doesn't have to be... Seriously. I get that feeling hits you a lot harder with actual family/friends, but it all the same doesn't have to. At the end of the day you can look each and everyone of them in the eye and say "I took a shot at something I'm really passionate about. Sometimes you fail... I'll get the next one." What would any of them say to you if you say that? Would they make fun of you for trying? Again, WHO CARES about anyone else's opinion but your own in life???
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:32:55 PM permalink
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It is, but it doesn't have to be... Seriously. I get that feeling hits you a lot harder with actual family/friends, but it all the same doesn't have to. At the end of the day you can look each and everyone of them in the eye and say "I took a shot at something I'm really passionate about. Sometimes you fail... I'll get the next one." What would any of them say to you if you say that? Would they make fun of you for trying? Again, WHO CARES about anyone else's opinion but your own in life???


This...
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:53:01 PM permalink
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If ZenKing is real and in town I will pay for dinner at Hugo's Cellar if he and AxelWolf show up. I will open it to 5 other APs in town if everyone chips in for the tip. Just putting it out there. That private room can hold 10 I think so we can add 2 more for 7 instead of 5.


I'd be interested in joining for this if that's ok? I'm not an AP but I play poker for a living and romes and axel can vouch that I'm a decent person. 😂 Plus I'm Canadian so there's that haha
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May 25th, 2017 at 12:57:40 PM permalink
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I like that duck too but please be honest with everyone here, you really like Hugo's because they give you a rose when you go in,



Isn't that the appetizer?
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May 25th, 2017 at 1:04:46 PM permalink
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I'd be interested in joining for this if that's ok? I'm not an AP but I play poker for a living and romes and axel can vouch that I'm a decent person. 😂 Plus I'm Canadian so there's that haha

Playing poker full time is AP'ing =)... You're capitalizing on your advantage in the game, have a BR, RoR, variance, etc, all the same =p. But yes, PG would make a fine addition to the dinner if there's room!
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May 25th, 2017 at 1:18:47 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

This is the first time I've actually been 'scared' to play and I hate to admit that and even using that word. But the whole ball game has changed. I'm not at my parents house free of charge. I now got expenses and I risk being labeled a failure and having to pack up and head home and having everyone tell me 'I told you so'. That's probably the biggest thing, I don't want to fail at this and prepared myself as much as I could to come out here. It took me a good 1-2 years to make sure I had enough, waited until 60k and them embarked and guess what my reward is, lose 7500 in first 16.5 hours. Its unreal man and I'm not even asking for pity. Just want you to know the frustration. Preparation and skill is completely irrelevant to me.

I really hope this is just your way of venting but from your one of your posts, as I suspected, this is leaning towards an obsession.
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Everyone can sit here and tell you it will be ok. We can tell you the numbers will eventually work out. We can give you encouragement and the whole 9 yards. But that won't help your psyche that much. Everyone is different when it comes to how they handle this kind of stuff.

I know they say you are supposed to detach yourself from the money and have no emotions about winning or loseing. I have yet to meet AP halfway normal that doesn't care about significant losses or wins to some degree.

There's no big trick or secret on how to handle this stuff and that's why you haven't gotten a satisfactory answer. There is no one good answer to give, there might be some little things you can do to help. But for the most part, it's something you will have to figure out how to deal with on your own. You may not have the personality that can handle it now that the pressure is on.

If your ego and expectations are too high you are going to be disappointed often, perhaps you need to lose any ego and lower your expectations.

I think you need to concentrate on the positive things that happened during before and after your play, especially when you lose. Things like: You played well, you put in or exceeded the number of hours you intended, you had good EV, the pit didn't notice what you were doing, you chose the best games and conditions available, you saved some money buying cheap food.

Think about it this way, when you lose, you still had +EV (that's all that really matters in the long run) losing probably helps prolong how long before they notice you at that store, so you will probably be able to get in more time at that location.

You have to find a way to shake off the losses and wake up the next day as if it was your first day. Perhaps a self-help book or something like that will help. I honestly think just thinking about what you do have, what you have accomplished and what you can accomplish if you play right and keep going.
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May 25th, 2017 at 1:28:41 PM permalink
You don't have to be an AP. Hustler, degenerate, poker player, handicapper, sports bettor, dealer... etc etc... whatever. It was an open invitation to players in Vegas who post on here regularly IMO. Now the only stipulations I had was that ZenKing and AxelWolf had to agree to show up and hopefully honor that agreement. I'm not great company, especially in larger group settings. I would of bet that ZenKing and AxelWolf wouldn't of agreed and that 8 to 10 of us wouldn't of been able to coordinate a day and time to actually meet up. I wouldn't mind some prop bets and someone bank/make odds on each person when we have the full list. Who shows up early or late.? Will this thing get cancelled? Who orders what...etc etc.

Billy Ryan... you've been in Vegas to know that looking like a bum and going to nice restaurants is kinda standard. Especially for me and downtown. I see people dressed nice at these places but don't expect that from me. I'll be wearing jeans, sneakers, hat, a t-shirt and light jacket both from some Casino I got for playing. So if someone wants to dress nice or not is on them. I'm not big on laying down rules. Just show up on time if you agree to going. If you agree and don't show up I won't think twice about it. So we have 6 so far. 7 if we wait for Romes. Don't make me call Jon Ho... although loud and obnoxious... he is very entertaining. What type of drink are you ordering when you order a coors light with a glass? Anyone know?
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May 25th, 2017 at 1:30:40 PM permalink
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Playing poker full time is AP'ing =)... You're capitalizing on your advantage in the game, have a BR, RoR, variance, etc, all the same =p. But yes, PG would make a fine addition to the dinner if there's room!


I guess so I just think of what you guys do as so different from what I do day to day.

Thanks for the kind words bud.
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May 25th, 2017 at 1:35:49 PM permalink
Well I am in for the dinner if we are waiting until Romes is in town as that is when I was coming in I believe. So put me down as a yes.
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May 25th, 2017 at 1:36:04 PM permalink
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Don't make me call Jon Ho... although loud and obnoxious... he is very entertains.



Plz no
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