lilredrooster
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BleedingChipsSlowlyRomes
April 22nd, 2017 at 5:22:30 AM permalink
from Dustin Marks. i'm not recommending this. it will get you RFB courtesy of the State. But it is entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLWC4BxBEaM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flJJ1b6QUAU
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Deucekies
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April 22nd, 2017 at 1:35:45 PM permalink
Seems to me like these moves are obsolete now. Don't most casinos have strict rules against having two hands on the cards in a pitch game?
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April 22nd, 2017 at 2:21:34 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

Seems to me like these moves are obsolete now. Don't most casinos have strict rules against having two hands on the cards in a pitch game?

Someone doing this kind of stuff would clean up at the "charity games" running in other states like Riva was/is running(whatever happened to him?) Probably very little risk of being caught at places like this. From what I understand, they don't have any surveillance. They would have to suspect you and then set up a surveillance operation.

IMO the "charity games" are BS, especially with the horrible pays and it being questionable as to how much and where that money really goes. I wouldn't shed a tear for the organizers one bit.

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One of the boldest things have seen on video was a guy switching and entire shoe. WTF.

I can't ever get over the lady that put sticky stuff on the bottom of her glass and then tapped people's chips for luck and the chip stuck to the bottom. I feel bad for the victims.

There is a slot move I'm fairly sure would work, one that wouldn't be too difficult (I would have to ask someone who knows more about machines) but I have never heard anyone ever mention it on or off the forums. Perhaps no one thought if it or it doesn't work.
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April 22nd, 2017 at 2:33:04 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

Seems to me like these moves are obsolete now. Don't most casinos have strict rules against having two hands on the cards in a pitch game?

He doesn't need 2 hands on the cards to pull off some of his moves, especially the bet capping move.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 22nd, 2017 at 3:34:48 PM permalink
he wrote a very interesting book called "cheating at blackjack" which is basically a bio of his career. in the book he says that any casino, no matter how great they think their security and surveillance is can be successfully targeted by a cheat. he also says that he himself could be cheated. that there is nobody who is not vulnerable to being conned.
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April 22nd, 2017 at 3:38:34 PM permalink
I used to run into this weasel of an Asian downtown all the time who constantly capped his sidebets. I couldn't believe they didn't catch on to him. When he lost, he'd lose $2 but half the time he won he'd have $6 out.
I didn't see him for awhile and then ran into him at the Longhorn. Poor guy had his arm in a sling.
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April 22nd, 2017 at 3:46:52 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I used to run into this weasel of an Asian downtown all the time who constantly capped his sidebets. I couldn't believe they didn't catch on to him. When he lost, he'd lose $2 but half the time he won he'd have $6 out.
I didn't see him for awhile and then ran into him at the Longhorn. Poor guy had his arm in a sling.

I would be wondering what he had inside that sling, not how he got it. He may have advanced to a different cheating system.
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April 22nd, 2017 at 3:47:21 PM permalink
this is a slow motion video of a dice cheat who was caught and this video was used as evidence. he was successfully prosecuted and the prosecutor is explaining the video. he was sliding both die. he and his mate were greedy - they scored big on a hardaways bet. there is another similar technique which is harder to do but much harder to catch which involves sliding just one die and throwing the other and letting it land randomly. if they had done that instead they still would have had a very large edge and they could have lasted a long time.


http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/01/dice-sliding_duo_who_cheated_c.html
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April 25th, 2017 at 9:04:17 AM permalink
Still quite entertaining indeed. Thanks for sharing.
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April 25th, 2017 at 9:25:22 AM permalink
This is a sure way to get you banned from any casino!!
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April 25th, 2017 at 9:31:50 AM permalink
Never let a magician deal at your home poker game.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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April 25th, 2017 at 12:33:55 PM permalink
is that right to call dice sliding cheating? aren't the only rules that they have to hit the back wall? looks like they didnt so they should just invalidate the roll. i dont see how this is prosecutable.
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April 25th, 2017 at 12:38:41 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Never let a magician deal at your home poker game.



Or jailbirds.
One of my Fraternity Brothers spent 30 days locked up for repeated DWIs and learned to deal seconds and from the bottom of the deck.
He could deal you three Kings and himself a full house.
Can't imagine what he would be capable of after a year or two.
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April 25th, 2017 at 12:40:36 PM permalink
Quote: StrangeMage

is that right to call dice sliding cheating? aren't the only rules that they have to hit the back wall? looks like they didnt so they should just invalidate the roll. I don't see how this is prosecutable.

Yes its cheating and illegal, and there has been more than one case.

P.S. It didn't hit the back wall.
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April 25th, 2017 at 2:42:33 PM permalink
is DI considered cheating then? what's the defining difference? i feel like this would be super obvious to catch.
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April 25th, 2017 at 2:50:28 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Never let a magician deal at your home poker game.



Many magicians would be caught red-handed trying to cheat in a poker game. At the very least they would arouse suspicion by how flashy and perfect their shuffling and dealing is.
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April 25th, 2017 at 3:14:11 PM permalink
Quote: StrangeMage

is DI considered cheating then? what's the defining difference?



First, there is a controversy over whether or not DI is even possible. What this criminal was doing in sliding the 2 die was fixing the outcome which is why it is illegal. If DI is achievable the die are not slid but are thrown in a manner with little or no rotation somewhat like (I think) a knuckleball attempting to make them stick not every time but more often than randomness would indicate when they do land on the table based on the way they were set in the thrower's hand. Throwing this way could not be called illegal because it is too similar to throws that are very ordinary. And there is a very strong claim out there that DI is basically not realistically possible which would make casinos look very foolish if they tried to hassle a dice thrower who to a layman would look so very similar to an ordinary dice thrower.
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