Moving out to play

Quote: Face

$1,200 a month? Why not $1,200 period?



Add a bit for gen power fuel and you're golden. Unless the value of a studio is worth $10k+ a year to you...

Hey baby, want to come back to my 1970's Winnebago? It's a class A.

Quote: mamat

I'd say counting card situations are more stable (like video poker without promotions).

Still need scouting for (1) penetration (2) game types/hours (3) helpful dealer/pit bosses - conversely dealer & pit bosses to say away from (4) heat (5) whether you want to play solo...or at a full table.
One you've found a decent game, you can put it on a list for future reference.

Then whenever you want, you can go play one of the games on your "good game list".

...not quite, "you can do it at any casino anywhere at any time."

I didn't mean that literally. But compared to most other plays, it's true. Of course you gotta scout. But the playing conditions required for BJ CC exist in most casinos 24/7. The requirement threshold for a BJ game to be countable is very low. On the other hand, you can't walk into practically every casino in LV and expect to find an advantage play on video poker or a HC game (or whatever other play you may be in to) 99% of the time.

Quote: mamat

but a lot easier than many other AP strategies (and you can do it solo, without a team).

Counting has a high bankroll requirement for the hourly rate.
It kills not-so-hot APs with sub-$5K bankrolls.

Indeed. Not to mention the volatility compared to hourly win rate. Hourly, 1 standard deviation can easily be 20x the EV.

Quote: mamat

Very cool. Every good player I've met has worked out their own personal approach - what they like, what they avoid. They are all very unique. (At least in my limited experience).

On the other hand, not-so-hot APs often fit some very basic patterns.

Yup. I think it ultimately comes down to experience. Some stuff might seem good on paper, but other stuff you don't initially think about make it not so good or worthwhile.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Face

$1,200 a month? Why not $1,200 period?



Add a bit for gen power fuel and you're golden. Unless the value of a studio is worth $10k+ a year to you...

Hey baby, want to come back to my 1970's Winnebago? It's a class A.

Those rims are worth $1200 alone. Quite the chick magnet. Wish I'd that instead of the Ram 300 back in my Hamptons days.

Quote: billryan

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Face

$1,200 a month? Why not $1,200 period?



Add a bit for gen power fuel and you're golden. Unless the value of a studio is worth $10k+ a year to you...

Hey baby, want to come back to my 1970's Winnebago? It's a class A.

Those rims are worth $1200 alone. Quite the chick magnet. Wish I'd that instead of the Ram 300 back in my Hamptons days.

I"m gonna be late, my house has a flat tire.

Quote: billryan

I'm headed out tomorrow to look at a place in Pahrump. It's about an hour drive but I can get a free hot room anytime I want in Vegas.
Prices out there are ridiculously cheap.

Are you planning to cook the meth or sell it?

Quote: DRich

Are you planning to cook the meth or sell it?

That's Searchlight. Or Needles. I will be doing a lot of metal detecting, hunting for Bennys lost trailer.
I'm looking to expand a mail order business and need cheap space. I can cut my expenses in half and have much more room.
It's a possibility.

Quote: teliot

Quote: Romes

teliot, I can shed some light on this one as a full AP who hasn't actually counted cards in a while now... Card Counting is something anyone can learn, tonight. You can't learn Hole Carding or Machine Plays or Rebates or Promotions because the vast majority of the time you need to know about the plays/etc to even be aware of them. Card counting is in the main stream light and also has the information on how to do it readily available. Any average joe can go look at my articles, practice, and start counting and earning money from casinos in a short period of time. Now take that same average joe and tell him to start hole carding that game over there... he won't know where to even begin. To start off and NOT start with card counting would be the same as a salmon swimming upstream... Not to mention I think card counting is the perfect entry game for tons of people who've never done any casino AP'ing. It teaches a tremendous amount about variance, patients, work ethic, cover, the sleazy side of how casinos don't really want winners, and so much more.

This is all true, every bit of it. And, if you count cards then you will likely be caught, added to a data base and your days as a player will be shortened before you're even out the door. Not to mention the low win rate, high volatility and scarcity of good games.

I understand that for the average Joe, card counting is the brightest shiny object in the room. But on these and other advantage play message boards, with loads of experts on all sorts of areas of advantage play, why is it still all about card counting? The discussions are 20 years old and almost nothing new is discussed.

I'm not a player, and that may make my view slanted. I see what the real players are doing in jurisdictions internationally to crush casinos. I am invested in stopping them. The best game protection advice I can give to a casino (and I give it all the time) is to not bother with card counters, deal deeper through the shoe and remove the "no mid-shoe entry" signs. Card counters cost casinos a lot of money - in lost game protection resources and lost hands-per-hour.

//end rant

I do agree with a lot that's in your response, except for the fact that you will be "caught" and added to databases. I counted for a decade (and still do from time to time) and was never added to any databases. While I was tossed from a couple places I was mostly told "no more blackjack" because I tend to try to bring a fun atmosphere to my gaming. I've had pit bosses more/less seem sad/disappointed they had to tell me to stop playing blackjack because we joked around and had a general good time together... making their work day (and mine) better.

I DO believe someone could count full time if they wanted to and find great longevity out of it if they either ghosted successfully, or if they used the more direct method I seem to use. Again, I'm not disagreeing more money couldn't be made elsewhere, just replying to your original response of "why would anyone ever card count."