ZenKinG
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November 12th, 2016 at 3:47:22 AM permalink
Has anyone ever had 1 or 2 places they just cant win at? Im sure many people have, but it would benefit me to hear some similar stories from other posters because right now im going through a spell where I literally win everywhere else but once I play at these 2 stores, I almost always get cleaned out. Im still close to EV for the year and doing well, but it's just funny how I cant crack them, especially when one of them has an amazing game.

It almost feels like all my hard work is going to waste and feel cheated in a way because im winning big everywhere else and then i go and give it back to these guys or ill go and lose to these guys and then go and win it back everywhere else. I'm sure it's just horrible variance, but would like to hear some of your thoughts. Oh and the store with the amazing game, it's my biggest loser at -2SD. The other store is only about -1.5 SD and i've had some big wins there, so that one im sure is just some horrible luck,, but the -2SD store, ever since they changed to 6 decks, i cant remember the last time i won a monster count; i lose big there every single time to the point I question the legitimacy there.

Yes you might ask, why do i keep going back if i keep losing there, and the answer is obvious in that there is just so many places i can keep playing at and logging hours, so i need to spread my play around and that means returning to these stores.
Last edited by: ZenKinG on Nov 12, 2016
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
LuckyPhow
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November 12th, 2016 at 7:24:13 AM permalink
Zen,

Thank you for the very descriptive title to your message. While great, I wonder if it could have been possible to make it just a little bit more descriptive of your topic.

As for myself, I find I have a hard time winning at tribal casinos and other casinos where there is no reasonably close competition. When casinos compete for my play, they seem to offer games that are less one-sided in their favor.
Ibeatyouraces
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November 12th, 2016 at 10:58:12 AM permalink
When I got back into counting back in the mid 2000's, I started in the how and it took me over two months to get out of it. And that was with playing 7 days a week at one location for about 4-6 hours a day. Your results aren't extraordinary.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
alphastorm
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November 12th, 2016 at 4:20:30 PM permalink
Are you a professional gambler? How can you find time to play that many hours a day?
rushdl
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CasinoKiller
November 13th, 2016 at 6:57:30 AM permalink
Sort of...
I have this shirt that can do that when worn, at any casino.
ZenKinG
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November 28th, 2016 at 7:00:49 PM permalink
bump up. This is eating at me. You cant help but feel casinos rig the shoe with a stacked deck of either a surplus of low cards or removal of big cards. I think it's time to bring out the regulations and place it on the felt and let me see every card at these 2 stores.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
Joeshlabotnik
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November 28th, 2016 at 7:21:31 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG


Yes you might ask, why do i keep going back if i keep losing there, and the answer is obvious in that there is just so many places i can keep playing at and logging hours, so i need to spread my play around and that means returning to these stores.



It seems that you don't understand sample size. You won't be able to play nearly enough hands, even over the course of several years, to allow your actual results to approach your expected results everywhere you play. At any given casino, your results will be either better or worse than you expect. Since you have your consistent losses at those two stores but are where you expect to be in overall results, your results must be BETTER than expected at some other casinos. It's all just variance in action.

Unless, of course, you're saying that when you do worse they expect, they must be cheating you, but when you do better than you expect, they must be...what? Cheating in your favor?

To answer your question, if you ARE consistently losing at a given place and suspect cheating, why continue to play there if alternatives exist?
Hunterhill
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November 28th, 2016 at 7:29:29 PM permalink
The thing is many others have played at the places Zenking is talking about and have winning results, so unless he thinks they are cheating him specifically, his results are meaningless.
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ZenKinG
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November 28th, 2016 at 7:38:33 PM permalink
Well losing with an edge is different. If i played blackjack soley at a disadvantage and lost more than i should have, i wouldnt really complain since im already playing at a disadvantage. Of course playing at an edge doesnt mean i have a right to win more than i should have, but if you catch my drift, you shouldnt be 'surprised' if you lose more since you're already playing at a disadvtg.

Yea, i guess you can say i've had bigger wins than I should have, but in terms of overall EV, no, im not where I should be and it's mostly because of those 2 stores. You take away those 2 stores and im at or close to EV, which starts to raise red flags. Unless I have been overestimating rounds per hour and my EV is much less, im not sure, but right now assuming 100 rds an hour and about 550 hours played my results are only +23,500 and down about -1.3 SD.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
ZenKinG
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November 28th, 2016 at 7:40:58 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

The thing is many others have played at the places Zenking is talking about and have winning results, so unless he thinks they are cheating him specifically, his results are meaningless.



The thing that raises red flags with me at harrahs is i only started losing when they changed all of the games from 8 deckers on the main floor to 6 deckers. That adds to my suspicion.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.

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