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9 members have voted
October 6th, 2016 at 6:37:22 PM
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I ran into the guys with Next Step Blackjack at the Global Gaming Expo. In case that name sounds familiar, I made a video of the game at the Cutting Edge show.
I'm told the game has a couple placements in Mississippi, which makes it eligible for a write-up. So please see my new page on Next Step Blackjack. I'm concerned I may have made a mistake in the math because the house edges I would quoted at the show do not agree with my math. I've tried to reach the makers for their math report but haven't had a response.
So, I welcome the amateur and expert mathematicians on the forum to work this out as a homework assignment. Here is a table showing my combinations for the various dice totals of four dice:
The question for the poll is would you play Next Step Blackjack?
I'm told the game has a couple placements in Mississippi, which makes it eligible for a write-up. So please see my new page on Next Step Blackjack. I'm concerned I may have made a mistake in the math because the house edges I would quoted at the show do not agree with my math. I've tried to reach the makers for their math report but haven't had a response.
So, I welcome the amateur and expert mathematicians on the forum to work this out as a homework assignment. Here is a table showing my combinations for the various dice totals of four dice:
Total | Total |
---|---|
4 to 16 | 986 |
17 | 104 |
18 | 80 |
19 | 56 |
20 | 35 |
21 | 20 |
22 to 24 | 15 |
Total | 1296 |
The question for the poll is would you play Next Step Blackjack?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
October 7th, 2016 at 12:59:39 AM
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Voted no due to the house edge, and if I'm not interested in that side bet why would I sit at a table where that bet slows down play considerably when a dice roll is required to resolve the bet?
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October 7th, 2016 at 2:06:41 AM
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Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyVoted no due to the house edge, and if I'm not interested in that side bet why would I sit at a table where that bet slows down play considerably when a dice roll is required to resolve the bet?
A basic strategy player that didn't play the sidebets would be at his biggest advantage while the dice were be rolled. Less hands per hour works to their advantage, if everything else is equal.
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October 10th, 2016 at 11:19:28 AM
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I hope Chesterdog won't mind if I quote his own analysis.
The next table shows the probabilities based on the six-deck table above.
Next, here is what every event pays, based on the 10/15/15/25/30/50/100/1000 pay table.
And, finally the return from each event:
That agrees with my 11.32% posted on my Odds site.
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Player Dealer 21 20 19 18 17 Other TOTAL heart AK no bj 32911200 57594600 92151360 131644800 171138240 1647205560 2132645760suited bj no bj 493668000 863919000 1382270400 1974672000 2567073600 24708083400 31989686400reg. bj no bj 1579737600 2764540800 4423265280 6318950400 8214635520 79065866880 102366996480no bj no bj 42160158000 73780276500 118048442400 168640632000 219232821600 2110115907900 2731978238400heart AK bj 1573200 2753100 4404960 6292800 8180640 78738660 101943360suited bj bj 23598000 41296500 66074400 94392000 122709600 1181079900 1529150400reg. bj bj 75513600 132148800 211438080 302054400 392670720 3779455680 4893281280no bj bj 2106316800 3686054400 5897687040 8425267200 10952847360 105421155840 1364893286406 DECKS TOTAL 46473476400 81328583700 130125733920 185893905600 241662077280 2325997493820 3011481270720
Player Dealer 21 20 19 18 17 Other TOTAL heart AK no bj 104389120 182680960 292289536 417556480 542823424 5224675456 6764414976suited bj no bj 1565836800 2740214400 4384343040 6263347200 8142351360 78370131840 101466224640reg. bj no bj 5010677760 8768686080 14029897728 20042711040 26055524352 250784421888 324691918848no bj no bj 133907336000 234337838000 374940540800 535629344000 696318147200 6702062166800 8677195372800heart AK bj 5039360 8818880 14110208 20157440 26204672 252219968 326550528suited bj bj 75590400 132283200 211653120 302361600 393070080 3783299520 4898257920reg. bj bj 241889280 423306240 677289984 967557120 1257824256 12106558464 15674425344no bj bj 6680903680 11691581440 18706530304 26723614720 34740699136 334379229184 4329225584648 DECKS TOTAL 147591662400 258285409200 413256654720 590366649600 767476644480 7386962703120 9563939723520
The next table shows the probabilities based on the six-deck table above.
Player | Dealer | 21 | 20 | 19 | 18 | 17 | Other | TOTAL |
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heart AK | no bj | 0.000011 | 0.000019 | 0.000031 | 0.000044 | 0.000057 | 0.000547 | 0.000708 |
suited bj | no bj | 0.000164 | 0.000287 | 0.000459 | 0.000656 | 0.000852 | 0.008205 | 0.010623 |
reg. bj | no bj | 0.000525 | 0.000918 | 0.001469 | 0.002098 | 0.002728 | 0.026255 | 0.033992 |
no bj | no bj | 0.014 | 0.0245 | 0.039199 | 0.055999 | 0.072799 | 0.70069 | 0.907188 |
heart AK | bj | 0.000001 | 0.000001 | 0.000001 | 0.000002 | 0.000003 | 0.000026 | 0.000034 |
suited bj | bj | 0.000008 | 0.000014 | 0.000022 | 0.000031 | 0.000041 | 0.000392 | 0.000508 |
reg. bj | bj | 0.000025 | 0.000044 | 0.00007 | 0.0001 | 0.00013 | 0.001255 | 0.001625 |
no bj | bj | 0.000699 | 0.001224 | 0.001958 | 0.002798 | 0.003637 | 0.035006 | 0.045323 |
6 DECKS | TOTAL | 0.015432 | 0.027006 | 0.04321 | 0.061728 | 0.080247 | 0.772377 | 1 |
Next, here is what every event pays, based on the 10/15/15/25/30/50/100/1000 pay table.
Player | Dealer | 21 | 20 | 19 | 18 | 17 | Other |
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heart AK | no bj | 1000 | 40 | 30 | 20 | 15 | 10 |
suited bj | no bj | 100 | 40 | 30 | 20 | 15 | 10 |
reg. bj | no bj | 50 | 40 | 30 | 20 | 15 | 10 |
no bj | no bj | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 | -1 |
heart AK | bj | 1003 | 43 | 33 | 23 | 18 | 13 |
suited bj | bj | 103 | 43 | 33 | 23 | 18 | 13 |
reg. bj | bj | 53 | 43 | 33 | 23 | 18 | 13 |
no bj | bj | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
And, finally the return from each event:
Player | Dealer | 21 | 20 | 19 | 18 | 17 | Other | TOTAL |
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heart AK | no bj | 0.010929 | 0.000765 | 0.000918 | 0.000874 | 0.000852 | 0.00547 | 0.019808 |
suited bj | no bj | 0.016393 | 0.011475 | 0.01377 | 0.013114 | 0.012786 | 0.082046 | 0.149585 |
reg. bj | no bj | 0.026229 | 0.03672 | 0.044064 | 0.041966 | 0.040917 | 0.262548 | 0.452443 |
no bj | no bj | -0.014 | -0.0245 | -0.039199 | -0.055999 | -0.072799 | -0.70069 | -0.907188 |
heart AK | bj | 0.000524 | 0.000039 | 0.000048 | 0.000048 | 0.000049 | 0.00034 | 0.001048 |
suited bj | bj | 0.000807 | 0.00059 | 0.000724 | 0.000721 | 0.000733 | 0.005099 | 0.008674 |
reg. bj | bj | 0.001329 | 0.001887 | 0.002317 | 0.002307 | 0.002347 | 0.016315 | 0.026502 |
no bj | bj | 0.002098 | 0.003672 | 0.005875 | 0.008393 | 0.010911 | 0.105019 | 0.135969 |
6 DECKS | TOTAL | 0.044309 | 0.030648 | 0.028517 | 0.011424 | -0.004203 | -0.223853 | -0.113159 |
That agrees with my 11.32% posted on my Odds site.
Last edited by: Wizard on Oct 10, 2016
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)