Blackjack Match -- New Side Bet

ChesterDog reports seeing a new side bet at Resorts in Atlantic City. It is based on blackjacks, has a progressive jackpot, and bumps the usual bet from $1 to $5.

Rather than repeat myself, please visit my new page on Blackjack Match. As always, I welcome comments, questions, and especially corrections.

The question for the poll is would you play Blackjack Match (multiple votes allowed)?

Read your write-up and the regs. My question is what does the progressive start at ? My guess 100k, but I am usually WRONG !

Plus I did not vote as I AM A BIGOT was missing.

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Read your write-up and the regs. My question is what does the progressive start at ? My guess 100k, but I am usually WRONG !

ChesterDog says the jackpot is around $62,000 now.

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Plus I did not vote as I AM A BIGOT was missing.

Why can't bigots express opinions on matters other than their own bigotry?

Harrah's properties have a sort of similar bet structure in their Kounts Kustom sidebet. $5, for- 1 pays, player ace in 1st 2 cards pays 10, player bj spins a wheel with values from $50 to $250, and one wedge for the chopper (cash equivalent $10k). 2 aces in the first 2 cards only pays as 1 ace there; I'm assuming that's also true of this bet.

Penetration about 80% (range 1 to 1.5 decks) on 6 decks, yeah, I count the aces. (You asked who would bother...me, for one). I play 2 hands, am well ahead on the game, though not in the thousands. And it's a 3:2 game with a $10 minimum and decent rules.

I like it better than the pay structure of this bet just because the player bj of any type is worth so much more.

Quote: Wizard

ChesterDog says the jackpot is around $62,000 now.



Why can't bigots express opinions on matters other than their own bigotry?

Because bigotry has hardly changed over the last 40 years.

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REGARDLESS OF EDUCATION..

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I know I know belongs over on DIVERSITY website.

Back to serious discussion. Did not mean to hijack, just answering your question.,

I know I risk being banished to the Wizard's dungeon, but I question your math.

If there are 3,600 ways to have matching suited ace/king blackjacks (which I'm not bothering to check or question), wouldn't there also be 3,600 ways to have matching suited ace/queen blackjacks? Add another 3,600 for ace/jack, and 3,600 ace/ten, wouldn't the total be only 10,800? Your chart lists 62,640 combinations for matching suited blackjacks.

I think you missed the part about the matching ranks:

Quote: NJ Rules

2. Matching Suited Blackjacks – the player’s two cards containing a blackjack in the same suit and the dealer’s two card containing a blackjack of the exact suit and rank as the players.

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I wouldn't play it.

While it's 15% hit rate is near the sweet spot of 18%-20% (at least that's what I've been told), that edge is just way too high.

I agree that making it a $5 bet is a smart move, but I hope that it counts towards the table minimum. I.E. Your BJ bet can be $5 less than the posted minimum if you make that $5 side bet. That would be another smart move.

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Where can I go to get the 3 minutes I spent Googling James Franco back?

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I know I risk being banished to the Wizard's dungeon, but I question your math.

No, it is I who should be sent to the dungeon. I was indeed wrong. Sorry for the tardy reply. My revised figures are up.

Thank you.

There's a similar bet based on Ace King suited linked up across some Grosvenor casinos in the UK (see http://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/blackjackgrosvenoracekingsuited.html ) however they use £1 bet and three meters.

Quote: Wizard

Quote: DJTeddyBear

I know I risk being banished to the Wizard's dungeon, but I question your math.

No, it is I who should be sent to the dungeon. I was indeed wrong. Sorry for the tardy reply. My revised figures are up.

Thank you.

Nine days and no reply by you, or any of the other math gurus here, was beginning to make me feel like I WAS in the dungeon.

I'm glad to see I wasn't making a false accusition. And glad I could, in my own little way, help keep WoO the excellent resource that it is.

Good Morning to all,

I was roaming some Casino's in Europe and came across this game, or a variation of it:

fixed fee to pay side bet: 1,5 EUR

Player suited AK, dealer any AK blackjack => progressive jackpot (currently 5000 EUR)
Player suited AK => 90 EUR
Player same colour AK => 40 EUR
Player Any blackjack = 10 EUR

Now, I do count cards. Hi LO with an Ace side count, so my instinct tells me, this game is countable with an Ace side count. What I have done so far is if the TC is 2+ and the Ace side count is lower than 2 per decks remaining (so in other words if 3 decks remaining there should be on average still be 12 Aces in the deck, but I use half of that so in my example remaining aces need to be 18), I play the sidebet. With this tactic I am a little bit up on the sidebet (not major).

Also, I was allowed playing the sidebet on boxes of other players. When the count when up real high, Played 7 boxes of sidebet while I played only 2 boxes of blackjack

I obviously have no idea if this tactic has an edge. Is there somebody on here who is able and willing to help me see if this sidebet is beatable with a HI LO count with ACE side count?

I would be very grateful..

Two quick questions:

1. How many decks?

2. Are the payouts on a "X-to-1" basis, or a "X-for-1" basis? In other words, if you win the sidebet, do you get your 1.5 euros back as well?

Dog Hand

There's a similar bet in the UK at (some?) Grosvenor Casinos - https://www.ukcasinotablegames.info/blackjackgrosvenoracekingsuited.html and you place your £1 and the button lights up signifying you've made your bet. Thus the payouts in this version are "for 1".

Hi Dog,

Thanks for the reply. It is six decks with pen between 1-1.5 (sometimes 1.75 but that is rare
And dealer dependent).

The payout includes your initial wager. In other words; you pay up front, they take that bet (I talk about the sidebet of course) and if you win you get the fixed pay out based on the table...

Was this an answer to your question?

Best regards

Hi Dog,

were you able to look at the countability of this side game?

best regards

So if you win $1500 on a $5 bet, that's 299 to 1, or 300 for 1. Does W-2G enter into this payout?
OTOH, is a million dollar jackpot withheld for taxes or can you just phone photo the big check to your bank account?
In this age of COVID, I'll be taking lump sums, not 20 year payouts.

Quote: ChumpChange

So if you win $1500 on a $5 bet, that's 299 to 1, or 300 for 1. Does W-2G enter into this payout?
OTOH, is a million dollar jackpot withheld for taxes or can you just phone photo the big check to your bank account?
In this age of COVID, I'll be taking lump sums, not 20 year payouts.

I’d be stealing big checks off of pictures if that was the case imo

Blackjack is a game of chance and skill. I always use a surrender strategy, I play when players are allowed to surrender or fold their arms before making a hit. After all, often, I'm not ready to lose the entire amount, so I can risk only half of my bet.

Almost but not quite passes the Turing Test.

Quote: Peterpan2119

Hi Dog,

Thanks for the reply. It is six decks with pen between 1-1.5 (sometimes 1.75 but that is rare
And dealer dependent).

The payout includes your initial wager. In other words; you pay up front, they take that bet (I talk about the sidebet of course) and if you win you get the fixed pay out based on the table...

Was this an answer to your question?

Best regards

Now, I do count cards. Hi LO with an Ace side count, so my instinct tells me, this game is countable with an Ace side count. What I have done so far is if the TC is 2+ and the Ace side count is lower than 2 per decks remaining (so in other words if 3 decks remaining there should be on average still be 12 Aces in the deck, but I use half of that so in my example remaining aces need to be 18), I play the sidebet. With this tactic I am a little bit up on the sidebet (not major).

Peterpan2119,

Sorry for the delayed response... I didn't see this post until just the other day.

By the way, are you also "FlyingHigh", who posted the following:

"Now, I do count cards. Hi LO with an Ace side count, so my instinct tells me, this game is countable with an Ace side count. What I have done so far is if the TC is 2+ and the Ace side count is lower than 2 per decks remaining (so in other words if 3 decks remaining there should be on average still be 12 Aces in the deck, but I use half of that so in my example remaining aces need to be 18), I play the sidebet. With this tactic I am a little bit up on the sidebet (not major)."

If not, I hope FlyingHigh can explain this Ace sidecount concept in more detail. Please explain how you calculate the "Ace side count is lower than 2 per decks remaining" part. For example, if 4 decks have been played and the number of Aces remaining is 10, would this qualify? What if 12 Aces remain?

At any rate, I find the house edge on this sidebet to be a whopping 53.76% when the Jackpot is 5000 EUR.

For a Jackpot of "J", the Return to the player is

{-0.70156532124633568406774062634981 + 3.2782570145753073036731119172311e-5*J} EUR

This means that the breakeven Jackpot is J = 21400.5588... EUR

Here are the calculations:

6D Game

Case 1: AK Suited + Dealer any AK

Case 2: AK Suited

Case 3: AK Colored

Case 4: Any BJ

Case 5: Loser

Calcs:

P1 = {2*(24/312)*(6/311)}*{2*(23/310)*(23/309)} = 3.2782570145753073036731119172311e-5

P2 = 2*(24/312)*(6/311) - P1 = 0.00293531043010158801031721397111

P3 = 2*(24/312)*(6/311) = 0.00296809300024734108335394509028

P4 = 2*(24/312)*(96/311) - (P1 + P2 + P3) = 0.04155330200346277516695523126391

P5 = 1 - (P1 + P2 + P3 + P4) = 0.95251051199604254266633687855553

Pays (on a "to-1" basis, in EUR):

R1 = Jackpot - 1.5

R2 = 90 - 1.5 = 88.5

R3 = 40 - 1.5 = 38.5

R4 = 10 - 1.5 = 8.5

R5 = -1.5

Return = -0.70156532124633568406774062634981 + P1*J

so when J = 5000:

Return is -0.53765247051757031888408503048826

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand