nvr55xx
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August 28th, 2015 at 8:34:19 PM permalink
If the Tangiers Casino offered the following game, would you play it:
100 decks, 99 dealt (99% Penetration)
No Mid-shoe entry or exit
$5 minimum, $500 maximum
S17, DAS, DOA, LSR
NO heat or barring

Would you play this game? Why or why not? Just curious.
ThatDonGuy
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August 28th, 2015 at 9:52:29 PM permalink
Except for the "no mid-shoe exit", yes - if it's a 3-2 (as opposed to 6-5) game. However, I'm not going to commit to 99 decks' worth of play.
charliepatrick
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August 28th, 2015 at 11:56:37 PM permalink
I can't see why a casino would allow you a 100-1 spread without heat, however a quick sim shows it might work. Obviously you'd need a lot of money.

fwiw the AP figure (I got $7 per $100) is quite low for a blackjack game, so it shows there are better places to look and probably not worth the effort.
Deucekies
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August 29th, 2015 at 1:02:03 PM permalink
No mid shoe exit? How is that enforceable? What if you run out of money?
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1BB
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August 29th, 2015 at 1:10:42 PM permalink
Quote: nvr55xx

If the Tangiers Casino offered the following game, would you play it:
100 decks, 99 dealt (99% Penetration)
No Mid-shoe entry or exit
$5 minimum, $500 maximum
S17, DAS, DOA, LSR
NO heat or barring

Would you play this game? Why or why not? Just curious.



The Tangiers backed me off. Apparently they share information with the Montecito. :-)
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
Ibeatyouraces
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August 29th, 2015 at 1:33:29 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

The Tangiers backed me off. Apparently they share information with the Montecito. :-)


Careful. The Montecito will chase you all around town and corner you in the back of a restaurant on private property.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
1BB
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August 29th, 2015 at 2:16:25 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Careful. The Montecito will chase you all around town and corner you in the back of a restaurant on private property.



Ha ha. As long as they don't bring me up to the roof during a windstorm.
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ThatDonGuy
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August 29th, 2015 at 3:19:01 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

No mid shoe exit? How is that enforceable? What if you run out of money?


Credit...at reasonable (for Vegas) rates.
DoubleOrNothing
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August 29th, 2015 at 3:27:57 PM permalink
Quote: Deucekies

No mid shoe exit? How is that enforceable? What if you run out of money?


Do you know anyone who quit gambling? What's to enforce? All gamblers run out of money and/or time.
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Dieter
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August 29th, 2015 at 4:08:45 PM permalink
Quote: nvr55xx

Would you play this game? Why or why not? Just curious.



The mechanics would be particularly awkward.

Barring some extremely unusual arrangement, the discard tray have to be about 6 feet tall, and the shoe would have to be about 7 feet long (to accommodate the tilt of the cards and the wedge).

That would put the top of the discard tray about 9 feet off the floor, on a typical blackjack table.

If the face of the shoe is a reasonable 18 inches from the flat edge of the table, the back of the shoe will be almost 6 feet off the main table. It will require some type of support, or the cards will tip over.

Shuffling a deck of this size effectively would require approximately 15 minutes. If a machine shuffler were employed, it would need to shuffle at a rate of 6 cards per second to match the hand shuffle speed. To my knowledge, no machine shuffler of this capacity is currently produced. If it were elevator style, the shuffler would probably need to be about 15 feet tall. Moving an elevator of that size at sufficient speed so that any input position card can go into any output position would require that the elevators can move at almost 30 miles per hour. (And stop, and start, and stop, and reverse...) The shuffler would be jackhammering the table quite violently.

I can't picture an effective way to cut a deck of this size. The deck is approximately the same size as a typical blackjack table.

I don't particularly like the imprisonment aspect - players should never be forced to place a bet.

So, no.
May the cards fall in your favor.

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