Mikey75
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June 15th, 2015 at 5:06:04 PM permalink
I just recieved some information on a event thatt will be taking place where the dealer will show both cards!! What advantage would this give the player? I know they will be using a csm so counting would not be possible. I would assume this difference in the rules would make it worth putting forth the effert to play. As far as I know standard rules will apply, h17, das, and only one card dealt to split aces. Could anyone tell me what the advantage would be playing this way?
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June 15th, 2015 at 5:14:33 PM permalink
Quote: Mikey75

I just recieved some information on a event thatt will be taking place where the dealer will show both cards!! What advantage would this give the player? I know they will be using a csm so counting would not be possible. I would assume this difference in the rules would make it worth putting forth the effert to play. As far as I know standard rules will apply, h17, das, and only one card dealt to split aces. Could anyone tell me what the advantage would be playing this way?



Here's some info from the Wizard.
Mikey75
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June 15th, 2015 at 5:17:04 PM permalink
Thanks ChesterDog. I should have thought to look for that before I posted. Thanks again for the link!!
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June 15th, 2015 at 5:18:19 PM permalink
Quote: Mikey75

As far as I know standard rules will apply,



Make sure there isn't a killer in there, like "dealer wins ties" or "dealer 22 pushes"
May the cards fall in your favor.
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June 15th, 2015 at 5:21:57 PM permalink
That's what I am wondering Dieter. I keep thinking that there is something that is not being told that will negate this type of play. Regardless I am going to play and see how it goes.
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June 15th, 2015 at 6:36:09 PM permalink
This sounds too good to be true. No way they'll play a 10% player advantage game. They sweat losing money on a 1% house edge game.
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June 15th, 2015 at 6:39:29 PM permalink
Yeah that's what I am thinking. I am sure they are not telling everything.
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June 15th, 2015 at 6:58:45 PM permalink
They didn't use the magic phrase "double exposure", did they?

Maybe they're doing something creative, like not showing both cards every hand, randomly (?) selecting somehow when they'll show the hole card before player action.
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June 15th, 2015 at 8:33:30 PM permalink
There is no mention of any of those things. It's states that the dealer shows you both his cards. This is your chance to have a competitive edge.

That's the only details I have.
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August 7th, 2015 at 2:36:27 PM permalink
As far as I know this event is still taking place but there is a kicker. BJ are 6:5. To make matters worse the min bet is $6. I've never heard of that before. The table does have a 3cp side bet and betting $5 with a $1 3cp side bet satisfies the minimum. I still plan to play this event but knowing it's 6:5 takes out a lot of the excitement.
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August 10th, 2015 at 8:55:12 AM permalink
Quote: Mikey75

As far as I know this event is still taking place but there is a kicker. BJ are 6:5. To make matters worse the min bet is $6. I've never heard of that before. The table does have a 3cp side bet and betting $5 with a $1 3cp side bet satisfies the minimum. I still plan to play this event but knowing it's 6:5 takes out a lot of the excitement.


If you have a 10% edge seeing both cards and the only downside is 6:5 (which is -1.39%) then you're still sitting at a solid 8-9% advantage, which is 4x to 5x that of normal card counting.

There's got to be a catch of "dealer wins on ties" or something to take over that 8-9% edge. Otherwise, bet as much as humanly possibly and play the modified basic strategy.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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August 10th, 2015 at 9:09:03 AM permalink
You won't have to play discreetly either.
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August 10th, 2015 at 10:16:34 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

If you have a 10% edge seeing both cards and the only downside is 6:5 (which is -1.39%) then you're still sitting at a solid 8-9% advantage, which is 4x to 5x that of normal card counting.

There's got to be a catch of "dealer wins on ties" or something to take over that 8-9% edge. Otherwise, bet as much as humanly possibly and play the modified basic strategy.



I'm going to find out for certain next week :). Wish me luck!!
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August 10th, 2015 at 11:31:51 AM permalink
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I'm going to find out for certain next week :). Wish me luck!!


Care to share the location? PM me if necessary :-)
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August 10th, 2015 at 11:47:03 AM permalink
Quote: Mikey75

I'm going to find out for certain next week :). Wish me luck!!


Good luck! I hope it is as good as you think, that would be awesome =D.

Also on the train of "Would love to know where that is." =p... Though I wouldn't post it in the thread, I'd PM it to people you're fairly sure aren't casino personnel (posting history should show that).
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August 10th, 2015 at 5:54:28 PM permalink
This is not the place to ask questions the OP asked. Take bj questions to bj21.com and PM an expert there. If the original premise is true and you just blew the lid off a +8.5% event, it will be burned out before you get there. Dice sitters, not known for sharp minds.
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August 10th, 2015 at 6:18:08 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

This is not the place to ask questions the OP asked. Take bj questions to bj21.com and PM an expert there. If the original premise is true and you just blew the lid off a +8.5% event, it will be burned out before you get there. Dice sitters, not known for sharp minds.




It's not going to be burnt out before I get there because it's not happening till I get there. I don't frequent bj21 and I have no intention on starting to. Don't spend to much time worrying about my mind it's just fine.
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August 10th, 2015 at 8:52:38 PM permalink
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It's not going to be burnt out before I get there because it's not happening till I get there. I don't frequent bj21 and I have no intention on starting to. Don't spend to much time worrying about my mind it's just fine.



I will not ask where, she wouldn't let me go anyway ;-(
Can you report back how it went, after it goes, so to speak?
Break a leg, or whatever the proper saying is....
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August 11th, 2015 at 7:22:52 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

This is not the place to ask questions the OP asked. Take bj questions to bj21.com and PM an expert there. If the original premise is true and you just blew the lid off a +8.5% event, it will be burned out before you get there. Dice sitters, not known for sharp minds.


Yes, the lid is 'blown off' from not mentioning the time frame of the event, nor the city, state, country, or casino.

And clearly this isn't the place to discuss hole card basic strategy. Not like someone linked to the Wizards strategy page, nor do we have a lot of mathematically inclined individuals and part/full time AP's. I wish there was a <sarcasm/> tag.
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August 11th, 2015 at 8:50:55 AM permalink
So I see the strategy chart on what to do if you happen to know what the hole card is. Most of the casino's I go to have surrender. If I happen to see the hole card, does anybody know what the proper strategy would be? I figured that if I had 12-16, I should surrender against 19 and 20. If I have 4-8 or 17, I should surrender if I think I can get away with it not bringing attention. I have found dealers are used to seeing people doing the dumbest thing that nothing surprises them. You can often get the dealer and everyone else at the table convinced that the "bad streak" will continue and the dealer is always going to have a 10 underneath their face card. Any comments?
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August 11th, 2015 at 8:56:44 AM permalink
Quote: Sandybestdog

So I see the strategy chart on what to do if you happen to know what the hole card is. Most of the casino's I go to have surrender. If I happen to see the hole card, does anybody know what the proper strategy would be? I figured that if I had 12-16, I should surrender against 19 and 20. If I have 4-8 or 17, I should surrender if I think I can get away with it not bringing attention. I have found dealers are used to seeing people doing the dumbest thing that nothing surprises them. You can often get the dealer and everyone else at the table convinced that the "bad streak" will continue and the dealer is always going to have a 10 underneath their face card. Any comments?


The answers are in Beyond Counting. Unfortunately I don't have access to it for the moment. Possibly later today though.
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