Proper Response

Recently I was playing at a $25 table at a CET property.

The side bet was the + 3 where they pay for 3 Card Poker hands and payouts are 5:1 Flush, 10:1 Straight, etc.

I don't play the bet ever, but I do pay attention to other people that hit it.

A guy slides in to my left , buys in for 800 and starts betting big ($200-300 / hand).

His second hand, he hits a BJ with a $250 bet and $25 side bet, He has A-Q with dealer showing a King.

Dealer pays him $125 and very quickly moves the bet back to his pile. Guy doesn't notice we was shorted.

As he starts paying him for the BJ, I interject, " He has a straight, you owe him another $125"

Dealer says "What you mean, I pay him already!'

I retort "You only paid $125, you owe 10:1 on a straight for $250!"

He says "No, it's a Flush, it gets 5:1"

I said "Ace , King , Queen is a straight buddy."

Until he actually looked at the felt at realized the error. Then ponies up the extra dough.

I end up losing the hand, and the guy thanks me by giving me a $25 chip.

The dealers then switch, and I win the next 6 hands to get to $600. All the while, he gets killed and loses his entire pile.

He then asks me for $100, to which I said "Sorry, I can't. I'm still down"

He then starts muttering under his breath and walks away.

Was my response apporpriate? I figured I helped get you an EXTRA $125 and didn't owe him anything more. Certainly not $100 out of my pile, when you didn't have the sense to walk away while you were ahead. Did I act in a reasonable manner?

I would have done almost the exact same in your position. I probably would have corrected the dealer short as well, not expecting anything in return (as I'm sure you weren't either).

The way I look at it is, I wouldn't give anyone I don't personally know a dime because they're "broke" or "need money." Very rarely I've thrown someone a red chip or something from a friendly prop bet, or something really amusing, etc, but I would never actually give $100 to someone I don't know just because they were asking for money. That's the easiest way to never see that $100 again.

He was probably grumbly because he was regretting giving you $25 when you saved him an extra $125, but in reality he was more upset that he was broke, not that he gave you the $25.

I like your actions/responses and think you acted in an appropriate fashion.

He asked you for $100? What response do you think you're supposed to give - "Sure, here's a black for you"? (And then what happens when he loses that?)

Maybe - maybe - you give back the $25 he gave you earlier, but I don't see why it should be anything more than that. Otherwise, you're marking yourself as a soft touch. "But you gave him $100..."

Your response - even if you were NOT down - is more than enough. No need to feel generous or guilty. And no need to give back the $25 he gave you.

Yeah, I would be surprised if anyone on this board disagrees with your actions.

Your actions are more than justified. You went above and beyond the call of duty by netting him $125 on a dealer error ($100 after his tip). On a side not, if he is betting $200-$300 per hand his buy-in should be much more than $800. Personally, I bring about 20 times my min bet to a table if I am going to play.

You did a good deed and SleepyHeadedGambler gave you 25 dollars as a reward.
He has no claim on it getting back for a stake.

You did him a favor. He tipped you a green which was nice, but I'm sure you didn't correct the short because you expected to get paid. You are under no obligation to give this bum money. You handled it right.

Quote: vendman1

You did him a favor. He tipped you a green which was nice, but I'm sure you didn't correct the short because you expected to get paid. You are under no obligation to give this bum money. You handled it right.

You already gave the guy the hundo when you caught the dealer error. Shame on him for working you at the table and making you uncomfortable.

I think I would have tried to throw the guilt trip back on him.

something along the lines of, "I already got you a $250 payout that you didn't know you had coming. You gave me a $25 tip for getting you that money. If you are regretting giving me the $25, I will return it to you now, but I am still down and cannot give you any of my money."

Then he can decide if he wants to take back his gift, and it is only $25, so not going to affect you that much. He may have taken it, or he may have still grumbled and walked, but you would not be rehashing if you did the right thing.

BTW, how you handled it was fine. He had no business asking for his tip back, let alone $75 more.

Quote: RaleighCraps

I think I would have tried to throw the guilt trip back on him.

something along the lines of, "I already got you a $250 payout that you didn't know you had coming. You gave me a $25 tip for getting you that money. If you are regretting giving me the $25, I will return it to you now, but I am still down and cannot give you any of my money."

BTW, how you handled it was fine. He had no business asking for his tip back, let alone $75 more.

One thing about gamblers, it's always a case of "What have you done for me lately!"

A dealer can give them 4 winning hands in a row, but they'll still loudly complain about the 5th hand where they pressed the bet and LOST.

Honestly, I thought he was initially putting the chip there because he wanted the hand to remain in play and didn't "want the cards to change" as I was looking for an open spot on another table but resigned to stay here. Then I pushed the chip onto the circle (so there would be no dispute over who placed the bet) and played the hand as normal.

He never actually said "Here, thanks for for your help" But I felt the gesture was enough for me to keep the chip.

I was a little bit shocked when he asked for $100, I wanted to question how he came in with an $800 buy in, bet 200 or more each hand, and then not have any more cash on hand to buy back in? But sometimes, silence is a powerful tool and ignoring a plea can subdue it quicker.

Now I'm confused as to how you got the $25 "tip." Did he toss you that and ask for you to bet it on a hand? Was he trying to play another hand? Your wording above is a bit ambiguous..

Quote: darkoz

Yeah, I would be surprised if anyone on this board disagrees with your actions.

Well, I disagree with his action....The action of pointing out the error to another player. As an AP, I need to keep a low profile. It's bad enough when I HAVE to correct a short payout to myself, that draws attention. I just can't afford to do it for others (even though I would like to). And truth be told, it is the other players responsibility to pay attention.

Now, no where did the OP mention he was an AP, so this may not apply to him, but there are many AP's on the board so I am just responding to your post "being surprised if anyone on the board disagrees".

Quote: Romes

Now I'm confused as to how you got the $25 "tip." Did he toss you that and ask for you to bet it on a hand? Was he trying to play another hand? Your wording above is a bit ambiguous..

Ditto

You were more polite than I would have been. He seriously asked you for 100 after you just corrected the dealer, earning him 125?
What a douche.
I would probably just given him directions to the ATM.

You owe him nothing.

And you absolutely deserved a tip after correcting the dealer when he was obviously either drunk or stupid. Maybe both.

Quote: Romes

Now I'm confused as to how you got the $25 "tip." Did he toss you that and ask for you to bet it on a hand? Was he trying to play another hand? Your wording above is a bit ambiguous..

He placed the chip in front of my stack as I was looking at another table, deciding whether to move there or stay at this table.

I thought he was attempting to play the hand, but he said "Thanks" as he placed the chip.

I then pushed the chip into the circle, with no objection and proceeded without incident.

Until he lost his pile and my stack accumulated to $600 and he then asked for the $100.