stabworld
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April 29th, 2015 at 8:20:08 AM permalink
Hello All,

I'ts been awhile since I last posted on here. I had the "Brand New Counter - $40,000 bankroll - What should be my bet spread and at what table minimum?" - thread. I got a lot of great advice from other members here, which I thank once again.

So, I'm starting to play blackjack again after about a 6 month break. I am planning a trip out to vegas to explore the games out there. (No good for me at A.C. any longer - after all in the same 2 week period, got 2 comp accounts frozen, and over half the casino's are mid shoe shuffling on me, placing my own table limit signs on the felt (management decision), and cutting the shoes at 50%.

I will be doing my own research on games out there, but thought somebody might point me in the right direction, or suggest some good games, with good rules on the green chip level, double decks and 6 decks preferred.

Thanks All.
Avincow
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April 29th, 2015 at 8:36:08 AM permalink
No one is going to tell you where the good games are. You can find out the # of decks and rules, but that's about it. You can walk down the strip or downtown, walking into each casino you pass. I'm sure you will find something. Be careful, a lot of 6:5 has taken over.
mcallister3200
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April 29th, 2015 at 8:49:58 AM permalink
Loot and scoot, hit and run all over town. Pick a geographic area and hit the casinos in that area across both shifts in a day to reduce travel time. Stations double deck games have good pen but are notoriously intolerant, some places more than others. If I were only spending a short amount of time in town, I would wong shoe games on the strip and loot and scoot the off strip double deck. Being that I spend a lot of time in town, I personally play the double deck sparingly due to heat considerations. There's places here that will back you off in short order for a 1-6 spread on double deck and barely bat an eye at 1-30 on a shoe game, I'm not going to get more specific than that.
mcallister3200
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April 29th, 2015 at 9:04:13 AM permalink
Oh, and rent a car and buy one copy of current blackjack news, both will be worth the investment if you're serious.
Romes
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April 29th, 2015 at 9:46:15 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Oh, and rent a car and buy one copy of current blackjack news, both will be worth the investment if you're serious.


Yeah, you've mostly got all the info you need already...

1) Consult the Wizards Blackjack Survey... understanding it may be a little out of date on some places (but last I visited it was 'mostly' accurate).
2) Rent a car.
3) The strip quarter games should be 'okay' for you... Bellagio and MGM have good games (MGM is sweaty). At the quarter level you should be able to find playable games on the strip.
4) Off the strip... pick a direction. East is Sam's town / cannery / etc... South-East is Green Valley Ranch area... North West is Stations Casinos... etc, etc. I'd pick one of those off site locations and go hit 3-4 places per shift, then hit another location. None of them are more than 20 mins or so from the strip.
5) Downtown has some 'okay' and 'playable' games, but they're a little sweaty (at least in my opinion). Of course you could go get backed off at El Cortez the moment you spread more than 1-2 in a positive count.
6) Double check every table on the strip that it's NOT a 6:5 table.

Edit - DJTeddyBear made an interactive google maps site and linked it a long time ago. It had all of the casinos on and around the strip. I used this to plan out my route last trip. I can't find the link, but hopefully he'll see this and re-post it? Or you could just PM him.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
mcallister3200
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April 29th, 2015 at 9:55:54 AM permalink
During peak times mgm has 0 3:2 games below $100 minimum. The pit that was previously h17 3:2 in front of David copperfield is now all 6:5, all the time. Luxor also has 0 3:2 shoe games on the main floor. There has been a rapid advancement in 6:5 at mgm properties over the last 2.5 months.
Donuts
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April 29th, 2015 at 12:30:45 PM permalink
There are tons of really, really good $10, $15, and $25 min games on the strip and in Freemont, just spend some time looking around. Don't be afraid to ask a pit boss if they offer the game you're looking for - I ask casinos straight up if they offer 3:2 double deck so I don't have to do a lap around the casino floor. Hasn't caused me any issue yet.

If you plan on going to Vegas a lot, play unrated and keep your sessions per casino under an hour or two (although you won't get much heat with a $25 unit depending on your spread). If you're only going to go a few times a year, you can probably get away with playing for comped hotels/food with a card for a while.
stabworld
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April 29th, 2015 at 9:57:20 PM permalink
Thanks, that's something that I have been battling with, rated vs. unrated. Currently, I can get comped (room-wise) at all of the total reward properties in Vegas, with the exception of NOBU at Caesars - up to 5 consecutive days. Even though there room tax is ridiculous at around $30 per night. If playing conditions are good out there on my first trip, I will probably be going there at a minimum of once per month, possibly twice, at 5 night intervals.

Do most games in Vegas place betting restrictions if you play unrated like casino's in Atlantic City do? (example: can only play one spot and bet 10X the table minimum.) That wouldn't be good for me, since I alway's play 2 spots, and have a 1-30 spread
sabre
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April 29th, 2015 at 10:18:06 PM permalink
Quote: stabworld


Do most games in Vegas place betting restrictions if you play unrated like casino's in Atlantic City do? (example: can only play one spot and bet 10X the table minimum.)



None of them do that
Donuts
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April 30th, 2015 at 10:26:26 AM permalink
Regardless of if you're playing rated or not, some casinos have rules on spreading/betting mins.

Quite a few casinos will only allow you to move to a maximum of three spots and put lower limits on bets if you spread beyond one spot.

Many times to play two spots you need to be playing 2x table minimum on both spots, and for three spots its 5x on each circle. It varies by casino, some have no restrictions at all.

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