Does the dealer always deal a player a second card automatically?

Imagine a scenario of a single Black Jack player playing Black Jack. Suppose the dealers face up card is a 5, and the player is dealt two tens. The player then decides to split the tens. The dealer then separates the 10's into two different hands. Let's call them hand one, and hand two. So game play will now commence with the first split hand which has a total of 10 (We have called that hand two). So here is my question. Will the dealer automatically deal the first split hand a second card, or will the player have to ask for the second card? wouldn't the player have the right to split the tens, and to stand on having a total of 10 for one or both split hands?

Basically I want to know if the dealer will automatically deal a second card for each split hand, or if the player must ask for the second card?

Yes, the dealer will automatically deal a card onto the first ten after splitting. I guess a player could split 10s and then stand on the first one. If he did he would be certifiably insane. But even if the dealer hit his first 10 when the player didn't want the hit card it could only help the player anyway.

If you stand on a 10 card the only way you would beat the dealer is if he busts. So if the dealer hits your 10 when you didn't want a hit (which I know you'll never do, right?) and you get a 2,3,4,5 or 6 you're no better or worse off. The dealer still has to bust for you to win. But all the other hit cards you might receive besides these give you some sort of pat hand.

BTW, if you split 10s, (which by the way is not a play you should do unless you've mastered counting and the higher percentage of 10s in the deak warrant it AND YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH IT) you are always going to take only one hit card.

Let me stress, for the beginner or basic strategy player you would never split 10s.

Note: A lot of pros and card counters never split 10s because there are only 2 types of players that do this. Card counters and stupid people. And if they've watched your play at all and determined that you play a good game, what type of player do you think they'll think you are? Plus splitting 10s brings a lot of attention on yourself.

It depends where you are playing.

I remember in Vegas they will deal you a second card automatically.
But before that the dealer will point to your card and say stand. He will give you about 2 seconds to decide. If you say nothing he will move to the next player. This way the cards are dealt awfully fast and the casino make much more money.

Where I play outside the US the dealer will want to see your hand signal on the table for the surveillance camera. Which means you have to show a V sign on the table pointing downwards. This makes the game much slower to play as some players take a long time to decide.

Quote: SnapBack

wouldn't the player have the right to split the tens, and to stand on having a total of 10 for one or both split hands?

No.

The game requires that a hand must have at least 2 cards. By splitting, you are requesting that you turn one hand into two hands. At least two more cards must be dealt - one to each split hand.

The player does have the right to split their hand (although, some places might not let you split mismatched tens, and may insist on splitting pairs only) - but not to request that no cards are dealt to the split hands.

Quote: Dieter

No.

The game requires that a hand must have at least 2 cards. By splitting, you are requesting that you turn one hand into two hands. At least two more cards must be dealt - one to each split hand.

The player does have the right to split their hand (although, some places might not let you split mismatched tens, and may insist on splitting pairs only) - but not to request that no cards are dealt to the split hands.

If you can't stand on the first or second split10 because the rules require that a hand must have two cards that's news to me. And it is an interesting point of minutiae. But you are never, ever going to not hit anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you brought it up. I like technicalities like this, Deiter.

I've split a mixed marriage on many occasions. I have had break-ins question its being allowed but they've never said no when I said that they're all 10-value cards. But I'm certain that there are some casinos that wouldn't let you do it. I just haven't run into one.

I split 10s once with a suit looking on in a SD game with a $75 bet at the El Co last year. I won the hand. But the most important thing that sticks out in my mind about the experience was not the winning or loosing, but doing it in the first place.

Quote: Greasyjohn

If you can't stand on the first or second split10 because the rules require that a hand must have two cards that's news to me. And it is an interesting point of minutiae. But you are never, ever going to not hit anyway.

In NJ:
http://www.state.nj.us/casinos/actreg/reg/docs_chapter47/c47s02.pdf

19:47-2.11 Splitting pairs
...
(b) When a player splits pairs, the dealer shall deal a card to and
complete the player's decisions with respect to the first incomplete hand on the
dealer's left before proceeding to deal any cards to any other hand.

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This document actually makes for pretty fascinating reading.

Other games: http://www.state.nj.us/casinos/actreg/reg/chapter_47.html

It doesn't seem right. I have never seen standing on a split card mentioned in any of the descriptions of a blackjack game that I have seen.

If hitting or standing is an option, wouldn't doubling also be an option?

In the case given, two tens vs a 5, wouldn't the best play be to split and double your tens?

Thanks everyone. And Dalex you brought up an interesting point about the doubling.

The New Jersey regulations are the standard that I've always seen. If you are playing one hand, you can't stand on a 10 and have the next card go to another player or the dealer. If you play two spots, it's the same thing. Think of a split pair as two separate hands because that's exactly what it is.

Quote: Dalex64

It doesn't seem right. I have never seen standing on a split card mentioned in any of the descriptions of a blackjack game that I have seen.

If hitting or standing is an option, wouldn't doubling also be an option?

In the case given, two tens vs a 5, wouldn't the best play be to split and double your tens?

Yes, if you could do it, but, you can't split 10s and before you take a card on the first 10 double down on a one-card 10. (I'll bet some break-in somewhere that was intimidated by some player has allowed it though. The eye would fall through the mirror.)

I think it's barely possible that, during a tournament, especially the last hand, it would be desirable to split 10's and NOT take a second card on either. The conditions:

You were forced to bet first and are not 2x higher than your nearest competitor, so you reserved 1/2 your BR for favorable splits/doubles.
Your competitor is all-in and will beat you if the dealer busts and you both win.
The dealer is showing a 5 or 6, and if you don't take a hit, he will receive the next card.
You KNOW the HC and the next card are 10.

In this case, you might want to split 10's to get the rest of your money in the game, but leave the 10 you know about for the dealer. OTOH, it could still be a better plan to get at least 1 sure 20 out of your split and take the rest as it comes.

IDK if tournament rules are/can be different from basic casino rules, but they often are in other areas, so perhaps you can stand on your hands.

Otherwise, I think you have to take the hits by procedure. Just based on my experience, not on any official rules.

Quote: Greasyjohn

If you can't stand on the first or second split10 because the rules require that a hand must have two cards that's news to me. And it is an interesting point of minutiae. But you are never, ever going to not hit anyway.

Like Babs brought up, there might be some bizarre circumstance where you have hole card and next card knowledge, and you might want to stand on two one-card hands. It's not allowed under any rules I know of.


I am all for the player being allowed to make "stupid plays" within the rules - You want to stand on a 3 card total of 10 because you're convinced that's the only way you'll win the hand, go for it - it is your right. May the cards fall in your favor (you'll need them to).

You do not have the right to stand on a 1 card hand, or to double (or split*) a 1 card hand. That's how the game works.

Thanks Venthus for the NJ rules links - I couldn't be bothered to dig up anything like that, but they're a good read. Hearing the game described in legalese is a great soporific.



*This isn't a baccarat table - we don't rip the cards in half.

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The 21 of hearts is not included in a standard deck. (The highest I know of is a 13 of hearts in a specialty Six-Handed 500 deck.)

That was not the pip orientation I would expect to see on a 21 of hearts. (Depending on the layout chosen, 9 or 10 of the pips should have been reversed.)

Two tens of spades from a single deck (my guess, based on card height/width/deck thickness)? Something suggests that this was not a fair game.

Given the deal order, I'm guessing that Mr. Shellacque was attempting to cheat the bunny with a stacked, gaffed deck. (Had Bugs not stood on 1 card, he would have busted with a hard 31 upon being dealt the second TS.)