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December 14th, 2014 at 11:31:32 AM permalink

Quote: bjmongoose
Dieter I have been told directly from the Casinos that the BJ machines are on a yield basis no different to slots. So what I took from that is the game
has its natural edge plus the yield will kick in as and when. In summary, they do NOT behave like electronic BJ tables

Told by who? A casino Employee?
Not that it matters, even slots are not supposed to a adjust according to your bet size.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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December 14th, 2014 at 11:43:15 AM permalink

The man responsible for all the machines who I spoke to on Thursday night briefly then longwindedly Friday morning. The guy who said he couldn't do more
and I would need to speak with Gaming. (I have explained all this previously) The one who said $1 no different than $50, 30 minutes later I
had him called to my machine and showed him EXACTLY what I was talking about THIS IS THE WHOLE CRUX OF THIS GUYS

He said no different - I proved in front of him it was its that simple

Axel why don't you phone some of the Vegas casinos and ask them how they work? You can hear it from the horses mouth

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December 14th, 2014 at 11:45:12 AM permalink

Axel Its a simple straight question for them:

Do your video BJ machines work as electronic table versions - Yes or No

Two casinos both told me NO

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December 14th, 2014 at 11:48:14 AM permalink

Quote: bjmongoose
So what I took from that is the game has its natural edge plus the yield will kick in as and when. In summary, they do NOT behave like electronic BJ tables

Sounds to me that you are implying things they have "said"

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December 14th, 2014 at 12:05:54 PM permalink

Quote: bjmongoose
The man responsible for all the machines who I spoke to on Thursday night briefly then longwindedly Friday morning. The guy who said he couldn't do more
and I would need to speak with Gaming. (I have explained all this previously) The one who said $1 no different than $50, 30 minutes later I
had him called to my machine and showed him EXACTLY what I was talking about THIS IS THE WHOLE CRUX OF THIS GUYS

He said no different - I proved in front of him it was its that simple

Axel why don't you phone some of the Vegas casinos and ask them how they work? You can hear it from the horses mouth

What part of CASINO EMPLOYEES ARE MOSTLY IDIOTS WHEN IT COMES TO MACHINES DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Even slot technicians don't understand machines well. Even 2 different technicians can have conflicting answers yet neither is right. The simply believe what they are told.

My neighbor was a casino slot tech who played for me occasionally during good promotions. He had all kinds of silly Ideas. He thought royals came up exactly once every 42k hands. He went around searching for VP machines that hadn't hit a royal for a long time. He'd get stuck on a machine chasing that 42k hand mark. Calling in sick all the time. Eventually he lost his job, went broke and ended up with a job picking up body parts from car accidents for a hundred dollar's a day.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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December 14th, 2014 at 12:35:06 PM permalink

Quote: bjmongoose
Two casinos both told me NO

The big difference I understand is that the machines continuously shuffle until a player decision is made.

May the cards fall in your favor.

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December 14th, 2014 at 2:58:17 PM permalink

Quote: bjmongoose
if you don't believe that or question etc just phone them direct and ask how their BJ machines work, they need to tell you how just not how much yield
is in play

We can easily determine the theoretical payback of the game if you post the game rules.

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December 14th, 2014 at 3:49:23 PM permalink

Yes but he thinks they are set lower than the actual math dictates. No doubt with bad play they hold more.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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December 15th, 2014 at 10:11:17 AM permalink

Quote: bjmongoose
Dieter I have been told directly from the Casinos that the BJ machines are on a yield basis no different to slots. So what I took from that is the game
has its natural edge plus the yield will kick in as and when. In summary, they do NOT behave like electronic BJ tables

As a slot machine developer in Nevada I can tell you that the information you received is incorrect. BTW, in the past I have developed and programmed games for Shufflemaster.

At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.

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December 15th, 2014 at 10:41:14 AM permalink

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As a slot machine developer in Nevada I can tell you that the information you received is incorrect. BTW, in the past I have developed and programmed games for Shufflemaster.

Rich,he's completely off the mark with everything he's posted.

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December 15th, 2014 at 3:06:17 PM permalink

mickey

please elaborate

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December 15th, 2014 at 3:06:55 PM permalink

drich

HI

Been out all day plus Ive exceeded my post limit hence the message. As I posted yesterday if anyone is doubting my comments they should phone the Casinos - Laughlin River Lodge & Pioneer direct. I am also struggling to see why they would tell me that as it clearly is a worse off situation? Would they not be much more likely to say "nope it works just the same as the tables!" I cant see the benefit + Ive seen posts online from Shufflemaster employees who actually confirm this. I will search them out and forward. Is your position that what Im saying is all incorrect and that this machines are electronic game versions?

thanks

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:30:24 PM permalink

Quote: bjmongoose
mickey

please elaborate

Your sample space is to small. Gaming tests the chips before they go in the machine. The actual return will will be very close to what the math says per the games rules. I've suffered thousands of losing streaks. When I first started I blamed on gaffed cbips just like you are doing
I eventually got used to the bad streaks. Its part of the game. I still piss and moan when I'm getting hammered but I dont blame it on getting cheated. Some of my piss and moan lines:

"F*** me running."
"Son of b****! It'll take me month to make the money up!"
"This C********* piece of s***! Attendent! Give me a hammer! This machine needs an afjustment!"
"What gypsy did I piss off?"
"Why me Lord?"

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:33:42 PM permalink

mickey You haven't read my posts I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT LOSING STREAKS I said I can CALL EXACTLY WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO HAPPENING read my Friday post

do not post negative comments unless you have read properly - if you cant be bothered to read DONT BE BOTHERED TO POST

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:35:38 PM permalink

going to BE happening - grammar correction

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:38:01 PM permalink

MICKEY no need to keep telling me what you think if you disbelieve me Im not offended lol If you think these machines work like tables super & enjoy If you aren't so sure PHONE AND ASK THE CASINO YOURSELF

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:40:09 PM permalink

Quote: bjmongoose
mickey You haven't read my posts I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT LOSING STREAKS I said I can CALL EXACTLY WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO HAPPENING read my Friday post

do not post negative comments unless you have read properly - if you cant be bothered to read DONT BE BOTHERED TO POST

Dont give me orders.

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:44:12 PM permalink

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MICKEY no need to keep telling me what you think if you disbelieve me Im not offended lol If you think these machines work like tables super & enjoy If you aren't so sure PHONE AND ASK THE CASINO YOURSELF

I already know better than to ask casinos employee's questions. They don't know anything. The information they provide is either useless or totally off the mark. No offense but I personally dont think you know what you are doing.

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:47:02 PM permalink

MICKEY lolol that's the MO of this website - insults are best! , acrimony and ridicule since clearly everyone here is an awesome gambler making millions to funny, thanks for the helpful comments

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:49:02 PM permalink

Aw mickey, you are just lealous of superior intelligence. How dare you question his findings ?

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:49:31 PM permalink

"don't give me orders"??? lol what are you 10 years old?? sorry you were so hurt by my suggestion

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:51:59 PM permalink

ala "lealous"?? whats that? your superior intelligence? hahaha Who was complaining about questioning? Questioning is great? squawking that other people "don't know what they are doing" is another thing

Anyway Ala have you managed to scare up that bus fare yet? over 24 hours and still no luck??? Best you go back under that rock you have been hiding under

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:53:20 PM permalink

bye bye

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:54:45 PM permalink

Quote: bjmongoose
MICKEY lolol that's the MO of this website - insults are best! , acrimony and ridicule since clearly everyone here is an awesome gambler making millions to funny, thanks for the helpful comments

You were the first to start with the snide comments long before i jumped into this thread. And you above statement here is more of the same. We've all seen this before. Someone comes on the forum and asks for help then starts trolling the responders

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:56:06 PM permalink

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"don't give me orders"??? lol what are you 10 years old?? sorry you were so hurt by my suggestion

Not hurt. I just dont follow your orders.

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:59:22 PM permalink

I assumed a full time pro sports bettor like yourself would be concentrating on watching the game tonight, lines are moving.

Im off to watch. Have fun

Get video and then talk, its useless to go back and forth. It's rigged or it isn't .show something credible please.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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December 15th, 2014 at 5:59:43 PM permalink

Quote: bjmongoose
ala "lealous"?? whats that? your superior intelligence? hahaha Who was complaining about questioning? Questioning is great? squawking that other people "don't know what they are doing" is another thing

Anyway Ala have you managed to scare up that bus fare yet? over 24 hours and still no luck??? Best you go back under that rock you have been hiding under

So long mongoose.

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December 15th, 2014 at 6:20:18 PM permalink

AXEL don't worry Ive two 55 inch screens linked to NHL.com & NBA.com - Pens on one & Indy kicking ass on the other

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December 15th, 2014 at 6:23:10 PM permalink

MICKEY trolling responders? are you kidding? check the thread, any normal response has been met in turn. Anything idiotic in kind. If you don't like that don't make ridiculous posts. In fact the first response Ive received queried why I was "complaining about getting my ass kicked" lol

no need to respond to me, all good

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December 15th, 2014 at 8:17:00 PM permalink

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AXEL don't worry Ive two 55 inch screens linked to NHL.com & NBA.com - Pens on one & Indy kicking ass on the other

You live in Laughlin or worst Bullmeth city?

Dam now Micky can call you A River Rat. Thats what everybody referred to the Laughlin guys as.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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December 16th, 2014 at 12:52:44 AM permalink

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MICKEY trolling responders? are you kidding? check the thread, any normal response has been met in turn. Anything idiotic in kind. If you don't like that don't make ridiculous posts. In fact the first response Ive received queried why I was "complaining about getting my ass kicked" lol

no need to respond to me, all good

Mongoose, I've read the thread. You are a goofball. You haven't posted one relevant thing yet. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. MONGOOSE. YOU ARE THE ONE MILLIONTH VISITOR TO NEVADA THIS YEAR WHO HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT THE PAYBACK OF THE MACHINES. In honorarium we are are comping you with a round trip ticket to your nearest restroom. We are always pleased to accomadate our visitors and rest assured that we will always assist you in your trip to the restroom.

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December 16th, 2014 at 12:55:42 AM permalink

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Aw mickey, you are just lealous of superior intelligence. How dare you question his findings ?

What findings? So far its just gibberish.

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December 16th, 2014 at 3:50:48 AM permalink

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Dont give me orders.

+10

Have been wondering when someone would smack this guy.

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December 16th, 2014 at 6:44:13 AM permalink

mongoose - I'm pretty sure mickey, rich, and some others on this forum knows more about machine play (including shufflemaster bj play) than either you or me. Rather than troll their responses, if you really believe what you are claiming, why not post the video like you said you would? Me thinks I know the reason why, but feel free to prove me wrong.

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December 16th, 2014 at 7:41:08 AM permalink

bjmongoose is suspended, 3 days, for flooding the thread and trolling responders, first offense. Please come back with the video.

Any one post has been on the edge but not over. In the aggregate it's well over the top. And, mongoose, people can respond as they like, subject to the same rules of decorum; trying to police who posts or restrict what they say is neither encouraged or welcome. Answer them, ignore them, listen to them as you like, but it's up to them whether they respond.

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December 16th, 2014 at 9:27:02 AM permalink

I guess he has 3 days to recreate the "pattern"(admittedly I didn't really pay attention to that part) Eventually the pattern will happen agian . So without a predetermined time theres no predictability factor. So just showing up here with a Video will not be 100% credible proof, unless its blatantly happening multiple times during the Video.

Ill be surprised if he ever shows a video. I can see him now claiming it's not worth it and doesn't need to prove anything.

I wonder how Maxswell's super DI craps chick is doing.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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December 17th, 2014 at 1:22:05 AM permalink

Quote: beachbumbabs
bjmongoose is suspended, 3 days

Who gets the points for that?

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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December 21st, 2014 at 2:20:45 AM permalink

Quote: odiousgambit
no, you are playing a certain game IMO

either that or world fame awaits you

Flooding, another new offense? What complete BS. Mongoose started this thread, and he gets useless responses like the one above...which is the closest to trolling in the entire thread. Mongoose has more posts because he is replying to useless chatter, notably from Crimm. No wonder people have decided to not take the rules seriously. I think we should have a mentally disabled racist moderator to improve quality and even-handedness, as well as promote diversity.

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December 21st, 2014 at 2:55:56 AM permalink

Quote: Sonuvabish
Quote: odiousgambit
no, you are playing a certain game IMO

either that or world fame awaits you

Flooding, another new offense? What complete BS. Mongoose started this thread, and he gets useless responses like the one above...which is the closest to trolling in the entire thread. Mongoose has more posts because he is replying to useless chatter, notably from Crimm. No wonder people have decided to not take the rules seriously. I think we should have a mentally disabled racist moderator to improve quality and even-handedness, as well as promote diversity.

You just can't help yourself can you, bish?

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December 21st, 2014 at 4:13:17 AM permalink

Quote: Sonuvabish
Quote: odiousgambit
no, you are playing a certain game IMO

either that or world fame awaits you

Flooding, another new offense? What complete BS. Mongoose started this thread, and he gets useless responses like the one above...which is the closest to trolling in the entire thread. Mongoose has more posts because he is replying to useless chatter, notably from Crimm. No wonder people have decided to not take the rules seriously. I think we should have a mentally disabled racist moderator to improve quality and even-handedness, as well as promote diversity.

Flooding? That's a good one. I'm going to dig out my boots in case there's another flood.

Here's what I see. A guy joins the forum, asks a question and gets the WOV lukewarm welcome. He endures multiple personal insults that were completely ignored and gets suspended for flooding and trolling. Only on WOV.

He was baited and insulted by aladyat42, for one, who responded to this thread with nine posts. Nine stupid, useless and insulting one liners that went unchallenged.

While we wait for the official definitions of trolling and spam, we now add flooding to the list. Is there a certain threshold for flooding? Does it go by percentage, number of posts or some secret formula? Welcome to the forum indeed, bjmongoose.

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December 21st, 2014 at 6:36:10 AM permalink

Sigh... I knew from day one he was going to get suspended, it was just a matter of time. He may have gotten suspended for the wrong reason, but he should have been suspended for this early on anyways

Quote: bjmongoose
1) Im sitting beside the machine as we speak
2) have you ever played these machines?
If you don't have any experience than what credibility do you have??? Im here to post and protect people I couldn't care less what you think
If you are so knowledgeable and connected with BJ surely you must have contacts in Vegas who test for you? If you don't YOU are just another gambling wannebee who talks a lot of shit but doesn't make a living from it or cant - am I right?? Im in Nevada and ready to meet so why don't YOU shut up and take the sanctimony elsewhere

All of that because I tried to explain... most casino management is clueless.

I believe I was fairly nice at the beginning, I even gave him props for saying he was going to get Video .(I had my doubts he'd have anything legitimate, and not cherry picked)

I believe his main problem is.... he thinks he's just to savvy, because he has some degree, he bets sports and came up with a BJ "method" (REALLY A SYSTEM) that worked in DEMO mode. It's Probably just a complicated guessing system based on martingale.

Instead of wanting the truth, he just wanted to prove himself as a worthy source of information, so he started posturing.

Just a few indications that really made me believe he wasn't as savvy as he would have us believe. Multiple quoting of casino employees(that's just laughable). This one cracked me up.

Quote: bjmongoose
SHE said she knew exactly what I was talking about because she was a very good BJ player but had given up video BJ due to the strange results when betting higher amounts!!!! d

SURE SHE IS "a very good BJ player"

The following was probably the craziest thing I heard from him. Just about everybody knows this has to be a horrible idea, even people who haven't gambled a day in their life can see a problem with this. I don't want to respond because it sounded completely trollish. I guess he needed an excuse anyways. Anyone knows dam well security would be all over this.

Quote: bjmongoose
Plus I intend to open a laptop right at the machine so it collects as much picture as possible as well as good sound

Gaffed or not, outrageous claims of 90% losses, and he can predict it, are just silly. I'll take that bet

Will he be back? I dont know. I said he would show anyone in Vegas or laughlin. If he comes to Vegas, I'll be happy to tip for the drinks and video a session. A side bet discussion is on the table.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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December 21st, 2014 at 6:55:12 AM permalink

I guess there are a few guys out there who want to these kinds of threads to go on and the OPs to not get suspended ... no one to get suspended in fact, short of the loosest standards ... everyone is entitled to their opinion, and in fact I am fairly neutral on the right or wrong of suspending this particular guy

as for my own post that was deemed to be pretty bad, all I can say is that I was not calling the OP an idiot, but in a sideways manner accusing him of attempting to make other people look like idiots [for allowing themselves to be in suspense, waiting for the big 'proof' that was never coming, and in the meantime getting to listen to all kinds of baloney]

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December 21st, 2014 at 8:17:24 AM permalink

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AXELWOLF Sounds great lets get it organized. One thing I am curious about, you are saying you have profitably played millions of vid BJ hands profitably, my question is to what level? I have said from my first post that the machines would play at their lowest levels but NOT AT HIGHER AMOUNTS. Are you saying you have played and walked with 100's?? Im not talking about sitting at a machine for 2 hours and walking away with $5

In this post here mongoose has no idea of Axel's history. But I know what was done on BJ machines back in the day because I was doing it too. Maybe not on Axel's level though. 99% of Game King BJ games payed even money on blackjack. But there was the rare game that payed 3 to 2 and was thought to be 99.5% by IGT. But there were two glitches in the game. Though the rules said you could double only on your first two cards that wasn't true. You could double after the split. And splitting Aces and catching a ten card payed automatic blackjack. That wasn't listed in the rules either. The game was 100% even though IGT thought it was only 99.5%.

You could bet 10 coins on these machines. But on many of these machines there was a Let It Ride feature. You could let the money ride on any winning bet. On quarters, and flat betting 10 coins I could get out 1100 betting decisions per hour. That includes splits, double downs, all that. With 1% cashback, running a $2700 wager an hour I was getting about $27 an hour in cashback. But by Letting It Ride twice then dropping back down to the ten coin wager I could double the amount of cashback I was running. The variance was higher but the cashback was higher.

You never knew what the progression was going to be. If you won a regular hand for 10 coins you could bet 20 coins on the next hand. If you won that hand you could bet 40 coins. The biggest hand was if you bet 10 coins then split and wound up doubling after the split on both hands. It payed back 80 coins if you won them both. Then you could let that ride.

I would double though twice then drop back down. But some guys took it to extremes. I remember one play that got ruined at Binion's just after Harrah's took over. Starting from a 10 coin quarter bet some guy kept letting it ride until he got a W2-G. He only did this a couple of times and the game got pulled.

This game also came in 10 coin dollars. So yes, there was a lot of money made off of video BJ back in the day. And I'm sure Axel was one of the guys doing it.

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December 21st, 2014 at 8:31:57 AM permalink

My last experience with the IGT BJ was in Wendover. They had 20 coin dollars with no Let It Ride. But I could run a $22,000 an hour wager geting 0.8% comp. About 170 comp dollars per hour. I got everything comped, rooms, meals, cigarettes, top shelf booze, haircuts, spa, clothes, poker tournaments, BJ tournaments, craps tournaments, slot tournaments. All paid for with comp dollars.

And no heat for homesteading. I stayed for months at the time. I took the win out of the poker room and the quarter and dollar 9/6 Jacks progressives at the Wendover Nugget.

"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm

AxelWolf

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December 21st, 2014 at 6:54:59 PM permalink

The williams BJ were the best rules.

They still have a few good IGT BJs around, a few places don't have a card ;( They been claiming coming soon for 5 years, I check occasionally

A few places still do have cards :)

There's some higher denominations with cards but, its to far away. Not worth leavening what im doing to pursue it. I assume a few guys are working it.

FYI its no lock unless you're getting significant extras. I've lost on a big advantage

There was also a glitch on the Blackjack machines offered by XXXXXXXX(ok ill leave that out just in case). It hesitated slightly when it had Blackjack and it offered insurance. You knew if you should take the insurance.

I have seen some strange crap and even have my own theories about some machines. Its happen on a few occasions and its been proven.

I'm not even claiming the machines are or are not gaffed. I'm claiming this guys claims are foolish>>> 90% losses, on $10 to $30 bets (or whatever hes claiming)with predictability, then $1 to $2 bets it wins, wins, wins is totally absurd.

If he can prove this, he should be banking some serious coin. Just walk around looking for losing $10 to $30 hands and then bet $2 and win win win(sounds fun to me). Vegas is full of BJ machines at every casino, bar, shopping center 7-11 around.

Not to mention higher denominations IE $25 denominations 2 coins after some high roller ploppy = win win win @ $150 each find.

I'm thinking $600 free a day

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

AbeFrohman

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December 21st, 2014 at 8:33:44 PM permalink

I have seen some IGT BJ machines that have good rules. You can bet up to $50 a hand at a near break even game. It is somewhat positive with bounce back offers. The variance on this game is rougher than I would expect. I have had some really bad runs with the dealer pulling multi card 21's while I am consistently dealt 14,15,16 and always bust when I hit. Axelwolf, have you or anyone heard of a casino reprogramming these IGT machines to be anything other than random and are you comfortable that they are fair?

AxelWolf

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December 21st, 2014 at 8:37:07 PM permalink

Quote: AbeFrohman
I have seen some IGT BJ machines that have good rules. You can bet up to $50 a hand at a near break even game. It is somewhat positive with bounce back offers. The variance on this game is rougher than I would expect. I have had some really bad runs with the dealer pulling multi card 21's while I am consistently dealt 14,15,16 and always bust when I hit. Axelwolf, have you or anyone heard of a casino reprogramming these IGT machines to be anything other than random and are you comfortable that they are fair?

I'm comfortable enough to play them if I have a reason to do so.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

mickeycrimm

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December 21st, 2014 at 8:42:26 PM permalink

Quote: AxelWolf
The williams BJ were the best rules.

I played the Williams too. Early Surrender, 100.4% plus cashback.

"Quit trying your luck and start trying your skill." Mickey Crimm

AxelWolf