mcallister3200
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December 10th, 2014 at 6:58:22 PM permalink
Is anyone aware if basic strategy changes in 6:5 blackjack shoe game if you are allowed to double on blackjack(thinking against 4-6 possibly). Or guidance on how to work out the math myself? I did find a thread on an old forum with a similar question but all the responses were the typical narrow minded, tunnel vision "never play 6:5 blackjack under any circumstances"
Greasyjohn
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December 10th, 2014 at 7:32:47 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Is anyone aware if basic strategy changes in 6:5 blackjack shoe game if you are allowed to double on blackjack(thinking against 4-6 possibly). Or guidance on how to work out the math myself? I did find a thread on an old forum with a similar question but all the responses were the typical narrow minded, tunnel vision "never play 6:5 blackjack under any circumstances"

Every time I've seen this question come up all the experts say don't do it. But at some point it has to be profitable. I will guess that with a +14 TC vs dealer 4,5 or 6 up-card it becomes profitable. But of course the dealer will probably call out the play and the suits will definitely take notice. If they review the tape or look at the discards the super-high count will be apparent. I can't think of a move that would bring more scrutiny upon yourself than this one--especially if it is successful. (Except plays like hitting your 19 because the dealer has been exposng his hole card and you know he has 20.)

Of course, basic strategy would not change if you're allowed to double on blackjack. You would never do it, but I think you are asking about when you might do it.
mcallister3200
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December 10th, 2014 at 7:42:30 PM permalink
That answer is suitable, I was only wondering if there is basic strategy differences. Thanks
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December 10th, 2014 at 8:06:31 PM permalink
No, because you wouldn't double on a blackjack in either game. And since the 6:5 vs 3:2 game only affects blackjacks--again, no. Why do you play 6:5? Do you have 3:2 available?
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December 11th, 2014 at 3:35:17 AM permalink
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No, because you wouldn't double on a blackjack in either game. And since the 6:5 vs 3:2 game only affects blackjacks--again, no.



You would be more apt to double a BJ on a 6:5 game than a 3:2 game. Hell, even if it paid 1:1, I think doubling a BJ will still have to have a super high index. The automatic win is very strong (100% EV...or in this case, 120% EV).

MC, think of it this way. A $100 wager would pay $120 (thus your EV is $120 for standing). The EV for doubling-down would have to exceed $120 in order for it to be the proper play. If you look at the charts n sh*t in the back of Don's BJA, you'll see the EV for doubling 11v4-6 is nowhere near 120% (same as $120 for $100 wager).


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Why do you play 6:5? Do you have 3:2 available?



I think he's planning on using the martingale on a game with $1 to $100,000 limits.
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December 11th, 2014 at 3:42:59 AM permalink
is there even any BS chart anywhere for 6:5?
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December 11th, 2014 at 3:54:47 AM permalink
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is there even any BS chart anywhere for 6:5?



No need -- it's the same as 3:2 BJ. The only difference would be the index for doubling down a blackjack (a natural dealt snapper). But those numbers are so high, and quite suspicious if you do them, at least if you're even remotely getting heat.
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December 11th, 2014 at 5:28:03 AM permalink
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No need -- it's the same as 3:2 BJ. The only difference would be the index for doubling down a blackjack (a natural dealt snapper). But those numbers are so high, and quite suspicious if you do them, at least if you're even remotely getting heat.



That would be my concern as a player. One.. the TC would so rarely be high enough to justify this play, that this is all most an academic argument not a real world situation. Two..if you did double a BJ you will draw so much attention to yourself that you'll quickly be looking for another place to play. It's just not worth it in real life.
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December 11th, 2014 at 5:40:37 AM permalink
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Quote: RS

No need -- it's the same as 3:2 BJ. The only difference would be the index for doubling down a blackjack (a natural dealt snapper). But those numbers are so high, and quite suspicious if you do them, at least if you're even remotely getting heat.



That would be my concern as a player. One.. the TC would so rarely be high enough to justify this play, that this is all most an academic argument not a real world situation. Two..if you did double a BJ you will draw so much attention to yourself that you'll quickly be looking for another place to play. It's just not worth it in real life.



Never double down a blackjack on this game. It's not even close. What's also not close is taking even money. Do it! Some casinos may not allow it but if they do, by all means take it.
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December 11th, 2014 at 6:21:10 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Quote: vendman1

Quote: RS

No need -- it's the same as 3:2 BJ. The only difference would be the index for doubling down a blackjack (a natural dealt snapper). But those numbers are so high, and quite suspicious if you do them, at least if you're even remotely getting heat.



That would be my concern as a player. One.. the TC would so rarely be high enough to justify this play, that this is all most an academic argument not a real world situation. Two..if you did double a BJ you will draw so much attention to yourself that you'll quickly be looking for another place to play. It's just not worth it in real life.



Never double down a blackjack on this game. It's not even close. What's also not close is taking even money. Do it! Some casinos may not allow it but if they do, by all means take it.



No casino allows you to take even money in a 6:5 game. (If a dealer allows it, it is against house policy.)

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