jket25
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August 15th, 2014 at 3:53:01 PM permalink
Hi, hopefully not too easy of a question here , but I was wondering while playing through a shoe that has become negative, dealer shows 10, you have 11 obviously a book double but during very negative counts is it in the players best interest to just hit rather than double in this situation? This goes for all hands where the player is looking for a picture but the deck is cold. Do you always play perfect basic strategy? Or in a situation like this is hitting better than doubling? The only issue I thought of about doing this would obviously be drawing heat from playing inconsistently , only doubling sometimes ...

Thanks for the help!
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August 15th, 2014 at 3:54:47 PM permalink
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jket25
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August 15th, 2014 at 4:27:56 PM permalink
Would you mind telling me what they are? I know for example insurance is the right play at TC +3 and splitting tens is correct at +5 but what about just hitting10 and 11 instead of doubling , what neg count calls for this , and how about 12 vs dealer 2 and 3, I would guess that a certain positive TC would make standing the correct play vs hitting
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August 15th, 2014 at 5:12:39 PM permalink
Quote: jket25

Would you mind telling me what they are? I know for example insurance is the right play at TC +3 and splitting tens is correct at +5 but what about just hitting10 and 11 instead of doubling , what neg count calls for this , and how about 12 vs dealer 2 and 3, I would guess that a certain positive TC would make standing the correct play vs hitting



Search "Blackjack Index Plays" or "Card Counting Index plays" in Google or something along those lines and you will find some good free charts (don't pay there are plenty of free ones).

I beleive Wizard of Odds has a page on Index (but for some reason this work computer blocks WOO for gambling content/ but not WOV). And there are several other reputable sites that have them as well (but I can't accsess gambling sites right now so I can't give you a precise link, but you will find plenty including WOO if you enter one of those terms in Google).
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August 15th, 2014 at 5:15:14 PM permalink
Quote: jket25

Would you mind telling me what they are?



Professional Blackjack says 1. (Chapter 3)
May the cards fall in your favor.
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August 16th, 2014 at 12:12:56 AM permalink
Quote: jket25

Would you mind telling me what they are? I know for example insurance is the right play at TC +3 and splitting tens is correct at +5 but what about just hitting10 and 11 instead of doubling , what neg count calls for this , and how about 12 vs dealer 2 and 3, I would guess that a certain positive TC would make standing the correct play vs hitting



The Illustrious 18 is a good place to start. Search this site or the Wizard of Odds site.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
RS
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August 16th, 2014 at 1:59:59 AM permalink
Search Illustrious 18 index plays.
motrek
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August 19th, 2014 at 1:24:10 PM permalink
I used my app (Blackjack X) to work out some EVs for you. This is 5,6 vs. dealer 10, liberal Vegas rules:

hilo count = 0, double = 0.174, hit = 0.118
count = -1, double = 0.157, hit = 0.115
count = -2, double = 0.143, hit = 0.111
count = -3, double = 0.128, hit = 0.106
count = -4, double = 0.109, hit = 0.104
count = -5, double = 0.092, hit = 0.100

Looks like with a count <= -5, you hit vs. double.
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August 19th, 2014 at 2:18:50 PM permalink
Quote: motrek

I used my app (Blackjack X) to work out some EVs for you. This is 5,6 vs. dealer 10, liberal Vegas rules:

hilo count = 0, double = 0.174, hit = 0.118
count = -1, double = 0.157, hit = 0.115
count = -2, double = 0.143, hit = 0.111
count = -3, double = 0.128, hit = 0.106
count = -4, double = 0.109, hit = 0.104
count = -5, double = 0.092, hit = 0.100

Looks like with a count <= -5, you hit vs. double.



The other option is not playing at -5.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
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August 30th, 2014 at 10:50:14 AM permalink
This should help:

http://www.proficientblackjack.com/articles/counthilo.htm
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August 30th, 2014 at 10:55:07 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

The other option is not playing at -5.



Sometimes you have to.
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