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sodawater
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:10:11 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

He's counting so he's at least getting breakeven. The gravy on top is all paid for by the casino, which is not a bad deal at all. Only problem is you can swing both ways, where you can lose all the time, or win all the time, and anywhere in between.



I do not think he is playing a breakeven game with the "speed count," even if he were doing it 100 percent accurately. Given his emotional state, I am sure he is not doing the speed count 100 percent accurately, as well.
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:11:06 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

Ace should stop because he is clearly not enjoying himself.

Ace is not playing with a positive expectation. He is playing with a negative expectation, hence he is purchasing recreation from the casino. It makes no sense to buy entertainment that is making you unhappy.

He wont be happy unless he gets it back. Every moment he is away from the tables he will be thinking of the tables. He will be dwelling on the losses and want to get it back. I would only suggest he play something with a better %. If not just leave town until next time or just stop playing this trip period. Thinking a new day will change anything is bad thinking. Everything could repeat and you could end up losing double what you were already upset about.

Obviously taking breaks is a good thing if it keeps one from going on tilt. Even then tilting could result in a big win or big loss.

Even good poker players will often go on tilt, play a few bad hands, win a few big pots, then get back to good poker.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:11:27 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146


Seriously, bro, two kids, six and two, in the middle of a divorce after 6.7 years, only reference I made to it (before this) was using it as a joke.



Really sorry to read this Mission146. Sounds like a tough situation for all involved. I hope things work out as well as they can for everyone.
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:15:06 PM permalink
Ace, I am sorry you had a bad trip, both financially and enjoyment-wise. Financially it doesn't seem like such a big deal. The next few clients that you represent or that contract your legal services will just have to pay a little more. :)
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:23:08 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

That smell is the hundred dollar bills Aceofspades is burning.This trip will not have a happy ending. An inferior counting system has finally turned in favor of the casino.
Nothing personal, Ace, just life !



Check the IPs. Reading like EvenBob has hijacked Buzzard's account. ;-)
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:24:41 PM permalink
On page 35 he'll get all his money back. He is not only great lawyer, but one of the best blackjack players in the world.
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:29:32 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

yep I find it quite hilarious when rich people wine about losing money. Him losing 10k is probably like us losing $200. My wife lost her job 7 months back due to downsizing while she was pregnant, we just had our 2nd child, her unemployment ended 2 weeks ago, Our newborn is only a few weeks old so she can't get a job right now, we just qualified for WIC but I make too much for food stamps or medical assistance so we are both without insurance because even the obamacare is too expensive for us. There is a casino that I can vulture UX but right now can't take the risk with gas money since it is 20 miles away and others are vulturing already.

ACE you need to get over it. Losing 10k is making you sound suicidal and depressed. You are leaving out that you are eating well, staying in a nice suite, on vacation from a great paying job and you are acting like this is the end of the world. You need to try and live in some of our lives and you will understand what living tough really is.


Why have not you become like Ace?
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:32:43 PM permalink
ace, my man, reading this thread this morning when getting up has left me a little worried. There are some very harsh comments here (although not untrue at all) but harsh as we don't know what pshycological state you are in right now. We cannot pretend to understand your position because we are not you. All we can do is sympathise and let you know that even though this sounds and feels like the end of your world right now, it absolutely is not.

You are young, good looking, good job, work in the best city on the planet, are able to take nice vacations and have some disposable income to play with.......

The problem I see here is that perhaps you are getting addicted to the thrill of winning. It seems like winning has come pretty easily in the past and now that you have a continuous losing streak going, you don't know how to handle it. Remember the down swings are absolutely normal. If you play blakcjakc or any other game for an extended period then you will lose money, albeit through variance or just the HE.

Here is what I think you should do. Give up gambling for now. It is not fun anymore when you want to hurt yourself or feel so depressed that you don't know what your next move should be. Just quit for a while, not for a day or two, for 6 months to a year. Head outside and feel the hot desert air blow over you, take a deep breath and live inside that moment. Then, go out and have a good meal. THere are many top restaurants around your area. Allow yourself to break your "one drink rule" and have two or three. Speak to some people out and about. Take control of your life and enjoy your vacation for the location that you are in. You aren't in a gambling mecca, you are in an entertainment mecca.........

You are better than any addiction and you are better than any woman who has left you............all you have to do is prove this to yourself and you will be just fine!!!

Wish I was there to hit the town with you bud!!!!

Stop, cold, turkey
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:36:39 PM permalink
My father always told me that Money cant buy happiness....but there is a hell of a lot of it out there for rent!
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:36:51 PM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

Check the IPs. Reading like EvenBob has hijacked Buzzard's account. ;-)

Buzz and Bob have always seemed have some of the same things in common. This may be an age thing.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:38:55 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

My father always told me that Money cant buy happiness....but there is a hell of a lot of it out there for rent!



I always said that people who say that have never been poor.
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:40:34 PM permalink
Just being able to fly to Vegas, stay in a suite, and drop $10k means you are one of the most privileged people on Earth. Take solace in that.
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:44:58 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:45:12 PM permalink
Ok played 2 shoes of 6D
Guy next to me jumped in mid-shoe playing 500-1k/hand each time the dealer was shuffling his Reserved 2D game

After two shoes I had won 400 lol

Here's the comeback lol
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:49:52 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

yep I find it quite hilarious when rich people wine about losing money. Him losing 10k is probably like us losing $200. My wife lost her job 7 months back due to downsizing while she was pregnant, we just had our 2nd child, her unemployment ended 2 weeks ago, Our newborn is only a few weeks old so she can't get a job right now, we just qualified for WIC but I make too much for food stamps or medical assistance so we are both without insurance because even the obamacare is too expensive for us. There is a casino that I can vulture UX but right now can't take the risk with gas money since it is 20 miles away and others are vulturing already.

ACE you need to get over it. Losing 10k is making you sound suicidal and depressed. You are leaving out that you are eating well, staying in a nice suite, on vacation from a great paying job and you are acting like this is the end of the world. You need to try and live in some of our lives and you will understand what living tough really is.





Yes I am acting as such and FYI I do not eat when I am losing...
Additionally--this is a gambling forum and whining about losses regardless of lifestyle....is par for the course...yes, I get very depressed over losses due to my extremely competitive nature.
As for a high paying job...nope...I own my own business...if business is bad, the expenses are still there...student loan debt...business credit lines...so if I go three months without a client, I am SOL
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:52:39 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Really sorry to read this Mission146. Sounds like a tough situation for all involved. I hope things work out as well as they can for everyone.




+1
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:53:20 PM permalink
Quote: Dicenor33

On page 35 he'll get all his money back. He is not only great lawyer, but one of the best blackjack players in the world.




The sarcasm is strong in this post.
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:55:43 PM permalink
Quote: Tomspur

ace, my man, reading this thread this morning when getting up has left me a little worried. There are some very harsh comments here (although not untrue at all) but harsh as we don't know what pshycological state you are in right now. We cannot pretend to understand your position because we are not you. All we can do is sympathise and let you know that even though this sounds and feels like the end of your world right now, it absolutely is not.

You are young, good looking, good job, work in the best city on the planet, are able to take nice vacations and have some disposable income to play with.......

The problem I see here is that perhaps you are getting addicted to the thrill of winning. It seems like winning has come pretty easily in the past and now that you have a continuous losing streak going, you don't know how to handle it. Remember the down swings are absolutely normal. If you play blakcjakc or any other game for an extended period then you will lose money, albeit through variance or just the HE.

Here is what I think you should do. Give up gambling for now. It is not fun anymore when you want to hurt yourself or feel so depressed that you don't know what your next move should be. Just quit for a while, not for a day or two, for 6 months to a year. Head outside and feel the hot desert air blow over you, take a deep breath and live inside that moment. Then, go out and have a good meal. THere are many top restaurants around your area. Allow yourself to break your "one drink rule" and have two or three. Speak to some people out and about. Take control of your life and enjoy your vacation for the location that you are in. You aren't in a gambling mecca, you are in an entertainment mecca.........

You are better than any addiction and you are better than any woman who has left you............all you have to do is prove this to yourself and you will be just fine!!!

Wish I was there to hit the town with you bud!!!!

Stop, cold, turkey




I tend to punish myself by not eating...seeing shows...or even going up in the High Roller and seeing a show that I had planned...I feel that my losing has made me unworthy of pleasure.
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:56:20 PM permalink
One can only hope that the loss of 10K is something you budgeted for and can readily afford.

Only a desperate man or a degenerate gambler bets money he cannot afford to lose, and you seem a smart, pretty savvy guy, so I suspect that you are just venting and not really going to step in front of a bus.

*note to aos: spare us the suicidal threats, it is unnerving*

You play black chips, so I have to assume that losing ten grand is no big deal: it shouldn't be to a player at your level.

If it really is a big deal you've got no business playing at that level.
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May 26th, 2014 at 5:58:53 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

One can only hope that the loss of 10K is something you budgeted for and can readily afford.

Only a desperate man or a degenerate gambler bets money he cannot afford to lose, and you seem a smart, pretty savvy guy, so I suspect that you are just venting and not really going to step in front of a bus.

*note to aos: spare us the suicidal threats, it is unnerving*

You play black chips, so I have to assume that losing ten grand is no big deal: it shouldn't be to a player at your level.

If it really is a big deal you've got no business playing at that level.




I apologize for the unnerving posts - I have no intention of doing physical harm to myself or anyone
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:01:39 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

I tend to punish myself by not eating...seeing shows...or even going up in the high roller and seeing a show that I had planned...I feel that my losing has made me unworthy of pleasure.



You should take the opposite view. By losing, you really "earned" those comps the casinos are giving you.

Seriously, you treat losing as if it's a moral failure. That is crazy. Losing streaks are a part of blackjack. If you're going to play blackjack you should be able to handle losing streaks. To deny yourself pleasure because you are experiencing an ironclad mathematical fact of the game is unhealthy and absurd.

If you're losing, take some time to have a nice free meal and see a nice show. Not only will it make you feel better, but it's -EV not to use those freebies your play has earned.
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:01:40 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

I tend to punish myself by not eating...seeing shows...or even going up in the High Roller and seeing a show that I had planned...I feel that my losing has made me unworthy of pleasure.



None of the other comments on this thread by you or anybody else phased me except for this one.....your life is not attached to your gambling successes. You are a successful man without the gambling, it is merely a form of entertainment.

Take the 10k loss as a wake up call and just STOP!!!

Enjoy the rest of your time in Vegas ace!
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:04:16 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

You should take the opposite view. By losing, you really "earned" those comps the casinos are giving you.

Seriously, you treat losing as if it's a moral failure. That is crazy. Losing streaks are a part of blackjack. If you're going to play blackjack you should be able to handle losing streaks. To deny yourself pleasure because you are experiencing an ironclad mathematical fact of the game is unhealthy and absurd.

If you're losing, take some time to have a nice free meal and see a nice show. Not only will it make you feel better, but it's -EV not to use those freebies your play has earned.



The whole time at the GN I only charged $50 of food to the room
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:06:32 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

I tend to punish myself by not eating...seeing shows...or even going up in the High Roller and seeing a show that I had planned...I feel that my losing has made me unworthy of pleasure.



You probably dont want to hear it, but the High Roller is actually relaxing..even more so with a Dogfish 90 Minute (Sold at the entrance) in your hand.

Please try it and dont punish yourself.
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:10:54 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

You probably dont want to hear it, but the High Roller is actually relaxing..even more so with a Dogfish 90 Minute (Sold at the entrance) in your hand.

Please try it and dont punish yourself.




What is a Dogfish 90 minute?


Ok just googled it
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:13:13 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

What is a Dogfish 90 minute?



A wonderful beer from Delaware.
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:37:04 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Women don't like me

I thought you lived in New York not Isle Vista.

Seriously, why don't you take a break and when you back to blackjack.....look ONLY at your own hand and the dealer's up card. Don't watch the other players. See how that goes for awhile.
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:41:28 PM permalink
I made MLife GOLD LEVEL lol
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:43:50 PM permalink
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:44:53 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I thought you lived in New York not Isle Vista.

Seriously, why don't you take a break and when you back to blackjack.....look ONLY at your own hand and the dealer's up card. Don't watch the other players. See how that goes for awhile.




That reference blew right over my head


I did take a break I'm just now heading back down
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May 26th, 2014 at 6:59:50 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

That reference blew right over my head


I did take a break I'm just now heading back down


I've been down on many trips. But I've been up more. If I say to myself, "if I were to lose $1,500 would I still have a good time because I brought it to them, then I enjoy playing. If I can't say that I try not to play.
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May 26th, 2014 at 7:01:53 PM permalink
Got another 550 back then dealer says let's see why would've happened next hand I said no and he did it anyway of course I would've won


Trip -9450
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May 26th, 2014 at 7:22:14 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Really sorry to read this Mission146. Sounds like a tough situation for all involved. I hope things work out as well as they can for everyone.



Thanks, KewlJ, but it's all good. It's a very amicable split. Kids: Agree on everything. Financial Arrangement: Agree on Everything.

Basically, we like each other, we just don't like being married to each other.
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May 26th, 2014 at 7:23:10 PM permalink
Quote: Tomspur



You are young, good looking, good job, work in the best city on the planet...



When did he move to Vegas?
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May 26th, 2014 at 7:25:04 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

When did he move to Vegas?



You don't think NYC is the best city on the planet? :)

Perhaps only to those who have never been to St. Petersurg in Russia :) :) :)
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May 26th, 2014 at 7:28:05 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

I tend to punish myself by not eating...seeing shows...or even going up in the High Roller and seeing a show that I had planned...I feel that my losing has made me unworthy of pleasure.



There's no better reason to find pleasure elsewhere!!!

1.) Go gorge yourself at a buffet.

2.) Find yourself a Super Times Pay machine for nickels, play three-handed betting $0.90/game. It would take forever to lose your minimum Blackjack bet. You may not know Optimal Strategy for the game, but screw it, $100 is a drop in the bucket for you. Enjoy some free drinks, get friggin' plastered and play Video Poker.

3.) ???

Just do that and stay away from Blackjack for one day. Pro Tip: If you can name the first and last names of your three most recent clients, you're not doing it right!!!
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May 26th, 2014 at 7:33:12 PM permalink
In contrast to the suggestions that you get hammered and seek solace in oblivion, I suggest you try to sharpen your view of reality.

Get a good rest, go for a walk, then drive the Red Rocks loop.

Be Here Now.
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May 26th, 2014 at 7:41:40 PM permalink
I appreciate all of your great suggestions...I just took a nice hot shower and actually going to eat dinner
Then...regroup and play some more when I am relaxed
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May 26th, 2014 at 7:52:41 PM permalink
Ace,
You have given Aria a ton of play. You won't get much different in comps if you take a break and check out some action at another strip place for a bit. A change of scenery could be just what you need. And, if you get on a mini heater, you may have another hotel wanting your action in a bad way.
Always nice to have options.
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:00:59 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

You probably dont want to hear it, but the High Roller is actually relaxing..even more so with a Dogfish 90 Minute (Sold at the entrance) in your hand.

Please try it and dont punish yourself.



Or you can get 90 Minute at the Quad catalyst bar for "free". I mostly bet 1 quarter a hand there slowly at 7/5 Triple Bonus Plus (97.67% max; 96.42% 1-4 coin) and they don't care what level you are betting with a standard tip. Ace could obv afford a max bet at quarters instead though. Probably had $50 of "comped" Dogfish Head 90 minute last trip...maybe more...definitely lost less than $50 at the Quad.

Love Dogfish 90 minute. Wish Missouri sold it... :(

But if Ace is not much of a drinker...I don't recommend he start either.
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:05:26 PM permalink
For all of those worried about my eating...
I am sitting down to a nice filet mignonette with truffle mashed potatoes
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:06:34 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

For all of those worried about my eating...
I am sitting down to a nice filet mignonette with truffle mashed potatoes



make sure you ask for ketchup
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:08:21 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

make sure you ask for ketchup




Lol bernaise sauce please
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:24:49 PM permalink
I feel like you are eating the wrong food. lol I was eating $2 tacos at the Bally's Tequila Bar at 9:30pm (first meal of the day) when I hit my dealt royal 90 minutes later at Flamingo.
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:26:03 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I feel like you are eating the wrong food. lol I was eating $2 tacos at the Bally's Tequila Bar at 9:30pm (first meal of the day) when I hit my dealt royal 90 minutes later at Flamingo.



The cards can smell the rich foods in his blood and hide from him?
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:31:29 PM permalink
Quote: Venthus

The cards can smell the rich foods in his blood and hide from him?



With this trip I think anything can happen...haha

It was mostly a plug of my only royal in Vegas though. But waiting til 9:30pm to eat that night was pretty stupid. My body hated me, especially since I drank til 6am the previous night.
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:39:31 PM permalink
Yummy


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May 26th, 2014 at 8:43:20 PM permalink
Huh. Where is this? (The restaurant, that is. [Or rather, what is the restaurant.])
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:51:04 PM permalink
Quote: Venthus

Huh. Where is this? (The restaurant, that is. [Or rather, what is the restaurant.])




Jean George's
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May 26th, 2014 at 8:59:30 PM permalink
Tomorrow morning, go back to downtown and have the corned beef hash and poached eggs at "EAT." Seriously awesome.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
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