nvr55xx
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March 8th, 2014 at 11:47:56 AM permalink
While advantage Blackjack players should try to avoid crowds of other players, here's an "interesting" story from a while back:

For quite a long time, I was playing at a Spanish 21 table with a VERY critical player who said that I "played wrong, ruined the order of the cards, etc." After a while, when I was noticeably up, she said: "Are you counting cards?" I explained that card counting doesn't work in Spanish 21. She said "I think you're counting cards. How else could you be winning?" (I had a large bet out at the START of the shoe at the time). When the pit boss came to check the chip inventory, player ratings, the PLAYER spoke up and said to the PB "I think that guy's counting cards". All the time, I was thinking "why the hell would a player say something like that? At the table is bad enough, but to say that to a pit boss is just plain idiotic. Do you want to HELP casinos?"

I guess I'm kind of wondering if this player (and others) seriously believe that card counters "hurt" other players if they "play wrong". If you have some thoughts or interesting stories, please post them.
Lemieux66
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March 8th, 2014 at 12:06:12 PM permalink
Quote: nvr55xx

While advantage Blackjack players should try to avoid crowds of other players, here's an "interesting" story from a while back:

For quite a long time, I was playing at a Spanish 21 table with a VERY critical player who said that I "played wrong, ruined the order of the cards, etc." After a while, when I was noticeably up, she said: "Are you counting cards?" I explained that card counting doesn't work in Spanish 21. She said "I think you're counting cards. How else could you be winning?" (I had a large bet out at the START of the shoe at the time). When the pit boss came to check the chip inventory, player ratings, the PLAYER spoke up and said to the PB "I think that guy's counting cards". All the time, I was thinking "why the hell would a player say something like that? At the table is bad enough, but to say that to a pit boss is just plain idiotic. Do you want to HELP casinos?"

I guess I'm kind of wondering if this player (and others) seriously believe that card counters "hurt" other players if they "play wrong". If you have some thoughts or interesting stories, please post them.



Back when I used to play blackjack, I got a lot of heat from other players because I only bet at positive counts. There were people, one at Resorts and one at Golden Nugget, that basically told the entire table not to play unless I was playing. I couldn't believe it.
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AcesAndEights
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March 8th, 2014 at 3:13:56 PM permalink
Quote: nvr55xx

While advantage Blackjack players should try to avoid crowds of other players, here's an "interesting" story from a while back:

For quite a long time, I was playing at a Spanish 21 table with a VERY critical player who said that I "played wrong, ruined the order of the cards, etc." After a while, when I was noticeably up, she said: "Are you counting cards?" I explained that card counting doesn't work in Spanish 21. She said "I think you're counting cards. How else could you be winning?" (I had a large bet out at the START of the shoe at the time). When the pit boss came to check the chip inventory, player ratings, the PLAYER spoke up and said to the PB "I think that guy's counting cards". All the time, I was thinking "why the hell would a player say something like that? At the table is bad enough, but to say that to a pit boss is just plain idiotic. Do you want to HELP casinos?"

I guess I'm kind of wondering if this player (and others) seriously believe that card counters "hurt" other players if they "play wrong". If you have some thoughts or interesting stories, please post them.


WOW that is mean spirited. I have never had anything even close to that in my limited counting career. Sometimes you will get weird stares from the rest of the table if you are raking in max bets at a huge count and your action is quite a bit higher. I'm sure some of them think in their head "man I wonder if that guy is one of those card counter people." But I have never once had any other players hypothesize verbally about it.

Now on to the real question - what kind of advantage play were you pursuing at said Spanish table?
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Ibeatyouraces
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March 8th, 2014 at 3:17:19 PM permalink
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AxelWolf
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March 8th, 2014 at 3:22:46 PM permalink
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"In simple terms, when in doubt whip it out." -AxelWolf

lol
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AcesAndEights
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March 8th, 2014 at 3:58:05 PM permalink
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I had a guy ask me if I was counting when I asked him to wait until the end of the shoe. Obviously it was a high count, but I denied that I was ;-)


You just didn't want him to mess up the flow of the cards, man.

Another thing I just thought about is that you sometimes get those same stares from the other players if you are LOSING max bet after max bet in a huge count. However, I doubt many of them mentally hypothesize that you might be a card counter in those cases :).
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March 8th, 2014 at 4:05:40 PM permalink
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Impmon
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March 9th, 2014 at 12:37:49 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

WOW that is mean spirited. I have never had anything even close to that in my limited counting career. Sometimes you will get weird stares from the rest of the table if you are raking in max bets at a huge count and your action is quite a bit higher. I'm sure some of them think in their head "man I wonder if that guy is one of those card counter people." But I have never once had any other players hypothesize verbally about it.



The only time I got asked if I counted was while playing at a church festival. The rules were so horrible that I was playing a dead even game. The dealer asked after seeing people come and go while I played for an hour on a $20 buy-in.

When playing for real, the closest is that on two different occasions, players started watching to see what I'd do when the dealer offered Insurance. The other day, I hit three successfully in quick succession. One player at the other end of the table said: "He must know what he's doin", as he put out the chips to insure his hand. All the other players insured and won. That was a good time to get out, as the pit boss was beginning to take too much interest.
Lemieux66
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March 9th, 2014 at 8:34:41 AM permalink
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The only time I got asked if I counted was while playing at a church festival. The rules were so horrible that I was playing a dead even game. The dealer asked after seeing people come and go while I played for an hour on a $20 buy-in.

When playing for real, the closest is that on two different occasions, players started watching to see what I'd do when the dealer offered Insurance. The other day, I hit three successfully in quick succession. One player at the other end of the table said: "He must know what he's doin", as he put out the chips to insure his hand. All the other players insured and won. That was a good time to get out, as the pit boss was beginning to take too much interest.



What do you mean by "dead even game"? Oh and at the church festival by me they have 2-1 on your BJ but ties go to the house.
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March 9th, 2014 at 8:41:07 AM permalink
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What do you mean by "dead even game"? Oh and at the church festival by me they have 2-1 on your BJ but ties go to the house.


A dead even game is where your EV is 0.

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