Doubling down and capping
The dealer told me that when I double down, that I should place my double down chip directyly to the left of my first chip, because I might be accused of "Capping" my bet. I asked the dealer what capping means and she explained about someone adding to their first bet sneakily in addition to doubling down.
So it was nice to learn something new that I did not know before, as I do want to play Black Jack properly and never be in a situation to be accused of cheating.
Is this a cardinal rule for Black Jack betting? I would never cheat, especially with 10,000 survelance cameras at a casino. However it seems like an inoccent thing to do.
The dealer also told me that capping is a felony. Anyway, mentally I was just laughing like, give me a break!!!
I would like to hear from other Black Jack players about their thoughts on this.
I also recently had an experienced Poker Player tell me that card counting is a felony in Las Vegas. I think this is total bullshit though.
Quote: SnapBackHello I recently went to a Casino and played Black Jack. When doubling down, I would place my double down chip on top of my existing chip. For example, I was betting $5 chips and when I doubled down, I placed the second (double down chip) on top of the first chip.
The dealer told me that when I double down, that I should place my double down chip directyly to the left of my first chip, because I might be accused of "Capping" my bet. I asked the dealer what capping means and she explained about someone adding to their first bet sneakily in addition to doubling down.
So it was nice to learn something new that I did not know before, as I do want to play Black Jack properly and never be in a situation to be accused of cheating.
Is this a cardinal rule for Black Jack betting? I would never cheat, especially with 10,000 survelance cameras at a casino. However it seems like an inoccent thing to do.
The dealer also told me that capping is a felony. Anyway, mentally I was just laughing like, give me a break!!!
I would like to hear from other Black Jack players about their thoughts on this.
I also recently had an experienced Poker Player tell me that card counting is a felony in Las Vegas. I think this is total bullshit though.
Capping is strictly not allowed anywhere by the player. Your bet belongs to the side, behind, or in a separate betting circle. It's considered cheating.
There is a game, called House Money, where your sidebet can be added to your main bet in Blackjack. However, if you want to add your winning sidebet, you have to gesture to the dealer, who picks up your sidebet and adds it on top of your main bet. The player is not allowed to make the move.
There are several reasons for this. It's pretty easy to palm chips (adding them, or capping, to your stack on a good hand) or pinching (taking the top 1 or more chips off your bet to avoid losing them on a bad hand), and difficult for the overhead camera to detect either action. So the casinos have rules against touching any stack of chips once bet, and game layouts avoid as much as possible any reason for a player to reach over a bet to place a subsequent one or on the way to picking up a hand dealt face down. It's also a consideration when they restrict you to using only one hand to play; one hand can distract while the other caps or pinches a bet if 2 hands are allowed.
No info on "card counting is a felony" in NV. My best understanding is that it is neither a felony nor illegal, but NV casinos are within their rights to stop you from playing if they think you're counting (or for any other reason at their discretion). However, I don't know the law for a fact on that. Others here do.
Your last sentence sums it up nicely. I don't advise poker players and they shouldn't advise blackjack players. Card counting is not illegal anywhere.
Quote: IbeatyouracesAs a newbie, you'll most likely be given the benefit of the doubt, especially if its your turn and the dealer is watching you.
Reminds me of an incident about 15 years ago. Late Friday afternoon, riverboat casino, not very busy. I settle in at third base on a low limit blackjack table (high limit didn't open until 6pm - WTF?). About four of us at the table, young guy sitting in the middle, third from dealer's left. Obvious newbie, betting reds. I'm not paying much attention but out of the corner of my eye I catch a motion. He can't possibly have capped that twenty! I thought he had two chips in the circle, now there are four or five. So I start to pay more attention. Sure enough, whenever he has nineteen or twenty, he very overtly grabs a handful and piles them on. Dealer has turned to address first base's signal.
Sitting at third, when the pit critter whom I knew came by I quietly mentioned she should watch this dude. She's standing right there and sure enough he caps a bet with a good hand. She very professionally explained that adding to a bet isn't allowed once the cards are dealt. He didn't know and was fine thereafter, when he left we had a good chuckle over it.
For example, you have an 11 vs a 6. You've got a green chip. You decide to double down but instead of sticking a green chip on top, you throw on two blacks and swap out your green. That's capping. And it happens alot more often than you think. It's also why before a bet, the dealer makes sure your bets are in order from highest denomination on the bottom to the top.
The cameras want to see that your double bet is less than or equal to the original bet. If you are allowed to put a bet on top, the cameras lose that integrity.
Quote: SnapBackHello I recently went to a Casino and played Black Jack. When doubling down, I would place my double down chip on top of my existing chip. For example, I was betting $5 chips and when I doubled down, I placed the second (double down chip) on top of the first chip.
The dealer told me that when I double down, that I should place my double down chip directyly to the left of my first chip, because I might be accused of "Capping" my bet. I asked the dealer what capping means and she explained about someone adding to their first bet sneakily in addition to doubling down.
So it was nice to learn something new that I did not know before, as I do want to play Black Jack properly and never be in a situation to be accused of cheating.
Is this a cardinal rule for Black Jack betting? I would never cheat, especially with 10,000 survelance cameras at a casino. However it seems like an inoccent thing to do.
The dealer also told me that capping is a felony. Anyway, mentally I was just laughing like, give me a break!!!
I would like to hear from other Black Jack players about their thoughts on this.
I also recently had an experienced Poker Player tell me that card counting is a felony in Las Vegas. I think this is total bullshit though.
Capping is felony and you were following improper protocol. HOWEVER, capping requires scienter, or intent. You can't go to prison for what you did, no matter what they say or how mad they get. You have to actually be attempting to cheat. Surveillance would prove your bet was a double down. Just do it correctly from now on. Counting is not illegal. Using a device to count is illegal. Either he was talking about something like that, or he does not know what he is talking about. A word about what 1BB said about Indian casinos. It is true they can make up laws, but they have no teeth...they cannot prosecute non-Indians for something that is normally legal in the state. The Indians can create some gray areas when it comes to things like hole-carding and classify it as spooking when that's a stretch, but straight counting, again, you cannot be prosecuted--which is why I would doubt you would find an Indian casino that bothers to outlaw it, but wouldn't say for sure. And prosecution for anything never occurs in an Indian court. The Indians can only enforce state law against you--getting them to pay you what they owe, that's a different story.
Quote: SnapBackThe dealer also told me that capping is a felony. Anyway, mentally I was just laughing like, give me a break!!!
Cheating is taken very, very seriously. Nothing funny at all about it.
Quote: anonimussIf you're going to cap, cap correctly. If you have a $25 bet you would palm another $25 chip while picking up $50 with your fingers on the same hand. When you announce "double down" as the dealer is distracted with another players hand, you move your palm over your initial $25 bet and simultaneously drop the palmed chip on top of your $25 bet and smoothly place the $50 double down bet beside your now $50 "initial" bet. Make sure you practice and can drop the $25 cap bet and the $50 "double down" bet at the same time so the dealer can't hear two separate and distinct sets of chip clicks.
LOL, I would've went with don't cheat, but gotta respect the fact that there is an expert in the field.
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Quote: IbeatyouracesApparently you haven't heard of the Four Winds incident.
I googled. All I could find was some cop discharged a gun. Some article indicates no charges were filed and that the Indians do not have reciprocity, and it is therefore illegal to carry a gun.
He was obviously carrying a gun legally, he is a cop. You cannot deprived of your 2nd Amendment rights by Indians. They are not 'like Canada' or another foreign nation. They are mini-sovereigns, granted that status by the federal government. Indian 'nations' are much more like states than like countries, although states wield more power. Unless there is a law that says he was doing something illegal, then they cannot go after him. Maybe there is a statutory law. Obviously, the Indians do not want guns there. They can point that out to you. And they can throw out anybody they want.
Quote: IbeatyouracesApparently you haven't heard of the Four Winds incident.
I googled. All I could find was some cop discharged a gun. Some article indicates no charges were filed and that the Indians do not have reciprocity, and it is therefore illegal to carry a gun. There is no mention he was tried in tribal court.
He was obviously carrying a gun legally, he is a cop. You cannot be deprived of your 2nd Amendment rights by Indians. They are not 'like Canada' or another foreign nation. They are mini-sovereigns, granted that status by the federal government. Indian 'nations' are much more like states than like countries, although states wield more power. Unless there is a law that says he was doing something illegal, then they cannot go after him. Maybe there is a statutory law; but his action would be illegal under that American law. Obviously, the Indians do not want guns there. They can point that out to you. And they can throw out anybody they want.
Quote: helenislovelySounds like you had a professional, friendly dealer though. I actually wrote a guide to blackjack etiquette precisely because I think sometimes blackjack casino ways can feel intimidating to new people. http://www.blackjackattack.tv/how-to/category/etiquette/ Hope it's a bit useful - even if you already know most of it by now!
Your site is called Blackjack Attack The Casino but is referred to as simply Blackjack Attack throughout the site. Surely you are aware of the popular book by Don Schlesinger called "Blackjack Attack". Happy coincidence?
Quote: Ibeatyouraceshttps://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/7471-hole-carding-case/
There is generally a presumption in favor of tribal jurisdiction for civil matters. We were talking about criminal prosecution.
Quote: IbeatyouracesBeing arrested, tried and convicted is not a criminal matter?
Without further references, I would have to conclude this information is either inaccurate or misleading. It is well established that Indians lack the authority to convict non-Indians. They can arrest and detain you for a limited time, probably the probable cause limit set by Gerstein v. Pugh. They cannot fine you other than for a civil infraction. But it sounds as if this fine is the equivalent to confiscating the chips; if so, that is not a criminal fine.
Quote: SonuvabishWithout further references, I would have to conclude this information is either inaccurate or misleading. It is well established that Indians lack the authority to convict non-Indians. They can arrest and detain you for a limited time, probably the probable cause limit set by Gerstein v. Pugh. They cannot fine you other than for a civil infraction. But it sounds as if this fine is the equivalent to confiscating the chips; if so, that is not a criminal fine.
That's all about to change in Connecticut very soon.
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I went to Facebook, but the game is not there? Is it broken, or will it be uploaded soon?
Quote: IbeatyouracesAll of this is irrelevant. If you wish to test your luck cheating or AP'ing at an Indian casino, you're playing with fire. I'm not going to get burned by trying it.
That's your choice to make. But an individual who takes your legally won chips from you is stealing. It's a crime. Refusing to cash them or putting a hold on the pending transaction are generally not criminal because you have not been deprived of anything except convenience. Any decision made by a tribal court against you can be appealed to federal court. Ignorance of your rights is what causes you not to assert them, and causes misstatements of facts and reasoning. Practically speaking, maybe you are playing with fire since the system isn't perfect--I couldn't say. But even if that is true, I'm sure a vast majority of the time it makes no difference if it's Indian or state. Corruption can exist anywhere. Speculating that it might coalesce more easily in Indian country doesn't phase me.
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Quote: helenislovelysorry hmmm. that's odd. Try this link! https://apps.facebook.com/blackjack-attack/
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I didn't fully understand it, but I had fun playing it. Sometimes I'd lose and get 700 free chips, and catch myself wondering why the casino doesn't do that.
