Harrah's AC 6:5
January 25th, 2014 at 1:03:52 PM
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So Harrah's AC has introduced 5 tables on the floor as follows:
8deck
DOA
DAS
6:5 BLACKJACK
WHAT THE ****?
8deck
DOA
DAS
6:5 BLACKJACK
WHAT THE ****?
January 25th, 2014 at 1:15:12 PM
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harrah's ac patrons tend to be more the party type...this just to take advantage of them
January 25th, 2014 at 1:18:15 PM
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I saw them when I was in AC two weeks ago bidding farewell to the Atlantic Club. Harrah's must think they have a captive audience because they're at the Marina and it's cold outside. It's important that gamblers educate themselves but Harrah's, and Atlantic City in general, are betting that won't happen. I wouldn't bet against them.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
January 25th, 2014 at 1:20:36 PM
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Can anybody name a faster growing segment of table games than 6/5 Blackjack ? I sure as hell can't !
And now 8 deck arrives. Who said " Never smarten up a chump " ?
Never mind. I remember now. It was EvenBob, our resident expert on all human failings.
And now 8 deck arrives. Who said " Never smarten up a chump " ?
Never mind. I remember now. It was EvenBob, our resident expert on all human failings.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 25th, 2014 at 1:33:26 PM
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I know a couple of people who say they can beat 6:5 single deck and I don't doubt them, then again define "beat." I wouldn't waste my time, let alone with 8 decks.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
January 25th, 2014 at 2:53:35 PM
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They better start dressing those female dealer/models they have in even more revealing shirts if they want anyone to sit down at this game
January 25th, 2014 at 3:07:53 PM
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Quote: michael99000They better start dressing those female dealer/models they have in even more revealing shirts if they want anyone to sit down at this game
If these 6:5 games become standard I will likely discontinue playing
January 25th, 2014 at 3:12:01 PM
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I was just there, they seemed to be almost just as filled up as the normal games. Most of them are right outside bar, and our labeled as such. (I think they are called Xhibition tables)
I wasn't paying much attention, but think that most if not all the 6:5 tables had Lucky Ladies (or other side bets.)
I wasn't paying much attention, but think that most if not all the 6:5 tables had Lucky Ladies (or other side bets.)
January 25th, 2014 at 3:36:16 PM
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Doesn't sound very conducive for a city in decline. Might as well have their billboards saying don't come back, we're trying to a ruin a business over here.
I am a robot.
January 25th, 2014 at 3:41:14 PM
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And I thought the boycott of 6/5 Blackjack in 2003 would be successful. Silly me !
6/5 for low limit players is now your destiny.
6/5 for low limit players is now your destiny.
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the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 25th, 2014 at 4:05:04 PM
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they should just use charity night rules. All naturals get paid 2:1 but the house takes all ties.
January 25th, 2014 at 4:11:19 PM
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What if the player is not wearing a tie ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
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Tis but the casket
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The gem that filled it
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January 25th, 2014 at 4:17:06 PM
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Quote: BuzzardWhat if the player is not wearing a tie ?
could be huge advantage play not to wear a tie
January 25th, 2014 at 4:17:53 PM
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Quote: sodawaterthey should just use charity night rules. All naturals get paid 2:1 but the house takes all ties.
Does anyone think the 6:5 move is a countermeasure for all the 'genius counters' that inundate every casino on earth every day of the year…or merely a profit grab LOL
January 25th, 2014 at 4:20:14 PM
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No casino can afford to deal 3/2 BJ at a $5 minimum bet. That's the real story behind 6/5 BJ.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 25th, 2014 at 4:21:07 PM
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Next big thing will be even money BJ, DAS, RSA, 4x splits, surrender, and all those rules to make it seem "liberal" but it isn't. Probably single deck as well.
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January 25th, 2014 at 4:42:21 PM
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Quote: djatcNext big thing will be even money BJ, DAS, RSA, 4x splits, surrender, and all those rules to make it seem "liberal" but it isn't. Probably single deck as well.
Sounds like "SuperFun 21"
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
January 25th, 2014 at 4:50:46 PM
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Quote: BuzzardNo casino can afford to deal 3/2 BJ at a $5 minimum bet. That's the real story behind 6/5 BJ.
I sometimes play at Dover Downs in Delaware. Weekdays from about 6:00 am until 11:00 they'll have 4 or 5 tables with $5 minimums with 3:2 payout on BJ. Usual rules apply, but they don't offer surrender. 6 deck shoes, so it's a decent game. It's about 2 1/2 hours from my house, so I don't get there too often.
January 25th, 2014 at 5:07:32 PM
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6:5 BJ opens the way for Spanish 21 & Free Bet BJ along with other variants that offer a low HE if played correctly. Those games will collect enough from the masses that don't play correctly to offer a good proposition to the educated BJ player that adjusts their strategy to what is required of the new game.
I think the problem is that too many recreational/tourist BJ players play well enough at BJ to be playing to a 1.2% - 1.3% HE after considering their mistakes. That type of game is getting harder and harder to justify space on the table games floor when you can bring in the carnival games where players are playing to a 3-5% HE after considering their mistakes.
UTH is holding anywhere from 28% - 35% from what I have been told by operators. BJ at 3:2 (without a side bet that players are actually playing) is holding 13-14%. Operators need to drive that BJ hold number to 16%-20% (or higher) either through side bets players want to play or with a 6:5 BJ offering.
The hold and win has got to go north somehow and they are reaching for ways to make it so.
I think the problem is that too many recreational/tourist BJ players play well enough at BJ to be playing to a 1.2% - 1.3% HE after considering their mistakes. That type of game is getting harder and harder to justify space on the table games floor when you can bring in the carnival games where players are playing to a 3-5% HE after considering their mistakes.
UTH is holding anywhere from 28% - 35% from what I have been told by operators. BJ at 3:2 (without a side bet that players are actually playing) is holding 13-14%. Operators need to drive that BJ hold number to 16%-20% (or higher) either through side bets players want to play or with a 6:5 BJ offering.
The hold and win has got to go north somehow and they are reaching for ways to make it so.
January 25th, 2014 at 6:45:56 PM
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Quote: Paradigm6:5 BJ opens the way for Spanish 21 & Free Bet BJ along with other variants that offer a low HE if played correctly. Those games will collect enough from the masses that don't play correctly to offer a good proposition to the educated BJ player that adjusts their strategy to what is required of the new game.
I think the problem is that too many recreational/tourist BJ players play well enough at BJ to be playing to a 1.2% - 1.3% HE after considering their mistakes. That type of game is getting harder and harder to justify space on the table games floor when you can bring in the carnival games where players are playing to a 3-5% HE after considering their mistakes.
UTH is holding anywhere from 28% - 35% from what I have been told by operators. BJ at 3:2 (without a side bet that players are actually playing) is holding 13-14%. Operators need to drive that BJ hold number to 16%-20% (or higher) either through side bets players want to play or with a 6:5 BJ offering.
The hold and win has got to go north somehow and they are reaching for ways to make it so.
I don't know about Vegas or other "big" markets, but at the card rooms around where I live, they all have exactly 1 BJ table and it's almost like they feel obligated to keep it. I'm sure if they pulled out that one, they would get a huge run of complaints from the traditional gamblers, so it's worth it to leave one in. But given that there's usually 2 or 3 of every other game in the joint, they clearly don't want to give BJ any more space.
(Oh yeah, all of the BJ games are 3:2 at least, but average rules other than that (H17 DAS no surrender)
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January 25th, 2014 at 7:21:27 PM
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" The hold and win has got to go north somehow and they are reaching for ways to make it so."
No casino can pay the mortgage with the hold numbers, it's the win that counts. Hold, House edge, element of risk are all nice
statistical words, but the WIN pays the bills.
At one time table games were 70% of the revenue and slots 30%. That has been reversed and getting closer to 80/20 each passing day. Slots have reduced expenses due to TITO. No change girls, no hard count, no hopper fills, etc. And table games, still need a dealer, pit crew, count team, table fills, etc. Paper work, vacation schedules, etc. What a headache.
No casino can pay the mortgage with the hold numbers, it's the win that counts. Hold, House edge, element of risk are all nice
statistical words, but the WIN pays the bills.
At one time table games were 70% of the revenue and slots 30%. That has been reversed and getting closer to 80/20 each passing day. Slots have reduced expenses due to TITO. No change girls, no hard count, no hopper fills, etc. And table games, still need a dealer, pit crew, count team, table fills, etc. Paper work, vacation schedules, etc. What a headache.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
September 16th, 2014 at 3:28:53 PM
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Are there any 3:2 games at Harrah's AC?
