Level of counting accepted?

I'm curious as to how much counting a casino will tolerate. I count and have noticed counters at my table who are not very subtle, going from table min to spreading 2 hands of +$200 plus( I typically play $25 dd). I am curious as to others experience of how much a casino will tolerate. Being a counter I assume that I may notice other counters before a floor does, but sometimes it is just to obvious. From what I have witnessed it seems those with higher level player cards do not even get noticed when making obvious counting plays. But I am curious as to how much casinos will tolerate given the playing experience of those in this forumn.

There's no single answer. Varies by area, property and even within a property from day to day or even different times of the day. To me, this is kind of the unspoken parts of card counting. It's not that difficult to learn to count and throw out the big bets at the right time, but to learn to do so without wearing out your welcome is a little more challenging. Some players/teams don't worry about it. They play a slash and burn style, hitting hard as they can, way above the casino comfort level and then move on, constantly traveling. But if you play a select rotation of stores, you need to figure out the comfort levels of different places at different times. You do this through experience (trial and error), networking, where you learn info from other players experiences, info picked up on different websites. After a while you can just sense when you have moved out of a casinos tolerance or comfort level, before the heat comes. You pick up signals and body language.

Quote: kewlj

It's not that difficult to learn to count and throw out the big bets at the right time, but to learn to do so without wearing out your welcome is a little more challenging..

Its like what Doyle Brunson said about playing the
private poker games in Texas in the 50's. Winning
was easy for him. Getting paid and getting to his
car with the money was often impossible.

Probably depends upon how much the suits think you are being greedy. If you are winning but also tipping that is good. If you seem rude and calculating you probably go out earlier than if you are gregarious and festive. Also depends on how recently the suits had to attend a meeting or read a memo and if they recognize you as coming to the trough too many times.

I agree with everything posted thus far... But from what I have seen it seems that an individual with a higher level tier card will get away with more overt moves and plays than an individual with a lower level tier card... Has this been others experience?

Quote: Dreamer

I agree with everything posted thus far... But from what I have seen it seems that an individual with a higher level tier card will get away with more overt moves and plays than an individual with a lower level tier card... Has this been others experience?

At my local casino I am quite sure that my gold card (level 3/5) lets me get away with a lot. I've been incorrectly told my supervisors that "nobody gets a gold card without slot play," so they think that I play slots. Nobody thinks I am AP when I am marked as a slot player. So I semi-regularly spread 5-150/200 and nobody bats an eye.

I'm sure I could change their minds with some huge wins, but I've kept it conservative because it is my home/practice place. Eventually my lifetime profit will get me there. Even with moderate rat-holing they still have me down for a lifetime win of 20k. I'd go unrated but they already know me.

Quote: Dreamer

I'm curious as to how much counting a casino will tolerate. I count and have noticed counters at my table who are not very subtle, going from table min to spreading 2 hands of +$200 plus( I typically play $25 dd). I am curious as to others experience of how much a casino will tolerate. Being a counter I assume that I may notice other counters before a floor does, but sometimes it is just to obvious. From what I have witnessed it seems those with higher level player cards do not even get noticed when making obvious counting plays. But I am curious as to how much casinos will tolerate given the playing experience of those in this forumn.

Most card counters lose and the ones that you have witnessed are probably among them. The few that do win may share some things in common. They may play unrated or under assumed names and probably play short sessions. It will not be that easy for the casino or for you to get a clear picture of them. Do you stay at a table when another counter sits down?

If these counters are winning and staying under the radar while playing rated their lifetime wins will eventually do them in. First the comps and offers will dry up and it's downhill from there. I know break even players who have lost their comps.

Surveillance is always improving but it still comes down to raising bets with the count. Casinos are quite capable of spotting this. They have to be. If someone is consistently taking their money no card level is going to allow them to keep doing so.

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so they think that I play slots.

Heck, all you have to do is have your players club card on one of those long plastic coiled cords and they will think you play slots. You don't have to actually ever go near a slot machine. I have all my player club cards on those annoying freebie plastic cords and I only play slots for a few minutes so I can talk to my companion as she plays the slots.

What level will a Casino tolerate? Whatever looks like you're pressing your LUCK, especially if thats when you press. Press your wins, not a loss or tie, or press your loss, not your win or tie. Counting can be disguised as pressing one's luck.

Quote: Dreamer

I am curious as to others experience of how much a casino will tolerate. .

Some casnios will spot a counter and if his spread is little and his win isn't huge, they'll let you go and forget about you. They want the heavy hitters. Min-$300+x3.

Min-$50 or even $100...they'll keep you in mind, but will let you play..

This is also pending on which casino and how bored they are.