PlayHunter
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November 19th, 2012 at 10:19:45 AM permalink
Just want to ask experienced counters what are the most common red flags for a HI-Lo or Red7 count in eyes of a pitboss/supervisor ?

(- I am asking because I was buying insurance and I had the impression that the dealer was looking suspiciously at my increased bet..)
BigJer
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November 19th, 2012 at 10:37:20 AM permalink
There are actually only three or so tell tail signs. One is bet spreading. That's probably how most counters are caught. Second - I believe anyways - is facial countenance. That is many counters have a thinking expression and looking at everyone else's cards too much. Third is deviations. Especially the 16 vs 10 and splitting tens. Another one that doesn't come up so much is the 12 vs 4. There are a couple of more that I can't think of off hand.
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PlayHunter
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November 19th, 2012 at 10:46:25 AM permalink
So buying insurance only at times when my bet was increased should not worry me for rising a red flag ? (I was spreading 1 to 5)
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November 19th, 2012 at 10:51:08 AM permalink
Quote: PlayHunter

So buying insurance only at times when my bet was increased should not worry me for rising a red flag ? (I was spreading 1 to 5)



That's another one. Buying insurance only at certain times AND when your bet is larger is a small red flag. That's why I said three or so.
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PlayHunter
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November 19th, 2012 at 11:05:05 AM permalink
Thanks BigJer ! And how should I avoid these suspicions, especially playing deviations ? (I think insurance can be done by Wonging)

BTW, about Wonging: - How do I know if a shoe have a good TC so I jump in, if I did not count that shoe from the first card dealt ?
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November 19th, 2012 at 11:18:00 AM permalink
Things supervisors and surveillance at one casino actually look for according to a friend:
-Always starting shoe with minimum bet; only playing new shoes
-Neatly stacked chips that indicate pre-decided bet amounts. For example, premade 5 and 10 unit piles of chips sitting there ready to go.
-Looking at every card. Tip: only move your eyes as you watch the cards---not your entire head.
-Quiet/focused
-Buying insurance with large bets out but not at other times
-Split 10s
-12 v 14
-Various wongings.


If somebody sees these things they are supposed to have surveillance do a skills check.
BigJer
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November 19th, 2012 at 11:32:55 AM permalink
Quote: PlayHunter

Thanks BigJer ! And how should I avoid these suspicions, especially playing deviations ? (I think insurance can be done by Wonging)



You can't. You have to play the hands correctly every time.

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BTW, about Wonging: - How do I know if a shoe have a good TC so I jump in, if I did not count that shoe from the first card dealt ?



Just start counting from zero. And if there are say 3 decks in the used card tray then you calculate those as cards unseen. So, say you came into a shoe with 3 decks dealt out of an 8D shoe. You include those three decks in your decks as yet to be dealt. I hope that's clear.
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PlayHunter
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November 19th, 2012 at 12:50:53 PM permalink
Quote: BigJer

Just start counting from zero. And if there are say 3 decks in the used card tray then you calculate those as cards unseen. So, say you came into a shoe with 3 decks dealt out of an 8D shoe. You include those three decks in your decks as yet to be dealt. I hope that's clear.



Yes, it is clear, but is it accurate ? I am thinking that there may be a very huge negative TC and I start to count it from 0. If this is possible, then I will rise my bets when my TC will be +2, but in fact, there is still a negative TC. If so, I am not betting on a -EV ?
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November 19th, 2012 at 12:53:40 PM permalink
Makes sense to me. It's like when they take a single deck from an 8 deck shoe and then deal pitch with that single deck/ I mean it's single deck for sure !
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November 19th, 2012 at 1:28:04 PM permalink
The best way to win at a casino game is to cheat. Find a dealer who is willing to split the profits.

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