Retiring from WoV (privacy concerns)
I am going to be retiring from the forums here. I posted a screenshot of my blackjack quiz results and within moments received an email from the detroitblackjack team (DBJT) website asking me to take down my results. I have no idea how they knew who I was as my email address was pixelated. This issue raises concerns for my privacy both as a blackjack player and as a member of this forum.
Quote: MidwestAPAce - Hate to lose you on this site, the time and date were on your screen scrape, I'm guessing someone on this forum is part of that group (or runs the web site) and since I doubt that many individuals submit responses to the quiz, it was pretty easy to figure it out from their end.
They just emailed me saying that is how they figured it out and because they said they rarely see 14/14...still, in all, it is disconcerting and I will sorely miss the day to day exchanges I have had on this site with the wonderful members. but, if it is that easy for someone to figure out my email address, then they can likely figure out who I am in real life as well - and that scares me.
I also don't think that WoV had anything to do with it, except that you posted information on a public forum that could be used by a 3rd party to identify you. WoV was not compromised.
Quote: aceofspadesThey just emailed me saying that is how they figured it out and because they said they rarely see 14/14...still, in all, it is disconcerting and I will sorely miss the day to day exchanges I have had on this site with the wonderful members. but, if it is that easy for someone to figure out my email address, then they can likely figure out who I am in real life as well - and that scares me.
I understand your concern, but they had that same information (you email address) when you submitted your quiz. I don't think anybody here has that information. If you are really done, good variance to you going forward!
Dear lord, I have said too much...
Quote: dwheatleyYou gave them your email address. They didn't figure it out, they only tied two pieces of information together. I think you are overreacting, but retiring from a forum can have other benefits, such as free time seemingly appearing out of nowhere.
I also don't think that WoV had anything to do with it, except that you posted information on a public forum that could be used by a 3rd party to identify you. WoV was not compromised.
Right, I did give them my email address BUT, the email address was pixelated on the photo. Somehow emailed me within moments of my posting here. Too Big Brotherish for me.
Quote: buzzpaffHopefully you will stick around till WIZ comments on this.
As I respect the WIZARD tremendously, I eagerly await his input.
Quote: aceofspadesRight, I did give them my email address BUT, the email address was pixelated on the photo. Somehow emailed me within moments of my posting here. Too Big Brotherish for me.
Correct, but it wasn't the email address that tied it together, it was the score, time, and date that were not pixelated. I don't think you would have received the email had you pixelated the time and date.
I don't blame them...it stunk!! I'll stick to craps!!!
Good luck with whatever you decide once the Wiz answers up...
gave them your email and somebody put 2 and 2 together.
Nobody is out to get you, you're not even a little fish, you're a
guppy in the ocean. I've been on forums for 20 years, 1992,
and if you don't want to be identified, don't give info like
your email address.
If you quit, they've won. Thats what they want you to do, think
they're all powerful and send you quivering under the bed with
your tail between your legs. Don't do it.
Quote: aceofspadesI am going to be retiring from the forums here. I posted a screenshot of my blackjack quiz results and within moments received an email from the detroitblackjack team website asking me to take down my results. I have no idea how they knew who I was as my email address was pixelated. This issue raises concerns for my privacy both as a blackjack player and as a member of this forum.
Maybe they just didn't want the screen of the results posted -- maybe it had nothing to do with you per se, and they were just contacting whoever posted the screenshot...
Granted, it means someone there was following that thread, but that's not surprising if they're watching their web logs and see a bunch of incoming requests from the WoV forums coming from the link at the start of the other thread.
Quote: aceofspades...i suppose someone could set up multiple email accounts but I am much too lazy for that LOL
Look, we all know which casino you play at and so far they either, do not know, or are not worried by your skills or action.
Just chill out and keep a lower profile. No need to leave.
If you are that worried, contact mission146 and come back with a slightly new identity and screename.
Quote: MathExtremist
Granted, it means someone there was following that thread, but that's not surprising if they're watching their web logs and see a bunch of incoming requests from the WoV forums coming from the link at the start of the other thread.
it was indicated to me they were greatly interested in where these quizzes were coming from. He found out! And he was right to ask you to take that down btw
Ummm, I would not sweat the privacy thing. False alarm.
Someone came here and saw the screenshot. It's not much of a quiz if the correct answers are posted, that's probably why they asked you to take it down. They surely found you through the date and time. 20 people took the quiz that day, according to the email I got; it most likely wasn't very hard to figure out who you were, through simple correlation. Especially for a math/cards guy/gal.
Quote: WongBoAce...here is the problem...
Look, we all know which casino you play at and so far they either, do not know, or are not worried
They don't CARE! They don't give a crap. Ace is
small potatoes, he loses, he wins, he loses he wins.
He's no threat, and thats if they even know he exists.
The paranoia around here is astounding. Look at that
Church BJ team, they got thrown out of hundreds of
casinos, the one guy said he eventually got thrown
out of every casino he played in. Did that stop them?
They kept going back and back, two of them are still
playing today.
Get over your bad selves, casinos aren't the big bad
wolf waiting to eat your children. They're a bunch of
under educated underpaid suits watching the clock
to see if their shift is over yet.
Quote: EvenBobThey don't CARE! They don't give a crap.
Ace isn't worried about the Detroit Blackjack Team, he's worried about internet privacy in general, and the integrity of this site.
I've tracked down a few people in my time, and frankly it isn't hard to do. I might not be the best blackjack player in the world, but the only reason for that is that I don't care. If I care about something I can do it.
The site doesn't matter; it is the sum of your internet activity, whether you use the same screen name among forums, stuff like that. When I found out that someone on a Harry Potter Fan site was emailing my daughter, when she was 12 (she's 21 now; I'd installed keylogging and screen capture software on her computer for her own safety, and told her it was there), I found out the guy's name, address, email address, where he worked (elementary school teacher, go figure), and his phone number. And I emailed him, told him I was the girl's father, shared what I knew about him, and told him that I was watching him. And it stopped, and he vanished from that forum as best I could tell.
I tracked down mkl654321. I'm not saying. It took about 3 hours. I tracked down tuttigym. It took about 20 minutes.
If you want privacy, stay off the internet. Completely. The only thing keeping someone from tracking you down is that most people don't care.
Quote: MoscaI've tracked down a few people in my time, and frankly it isn't hard to do.
for someone who has never done it, google your own phone number and see what happens. [assuming you have a listed number]
BTW I scored 13.
Quote: WizardWe absolutely do not share Email addresses or private information about anybody. I emphatically deny that we had anything to do with it, and resent the accusation.
WIZARD - I did not imply anything to that effect at all. I was wondering how that person figured out my screen name and email from the DBJT website - I emphatically state I do not think you or this wonderful site had anything to do with it.
Quote: MoscaAce isn't worried about the Detroit Blackjack Team, he's worried about internet privacy in general, and the integrity of this site.
I've tracked down a few people in my time, and frankly it isn't hard to do. I might not be the best blackjack player in the world, but the only reason for that is that I don't care. If I care about something I can do it.
The site doesn't matter; it is the sum of your internet activity, whether you use the same screen name among forums, stuff like that. When I found out that someone on a Harry Potter Fan site was emailing my daughter, when she was 12 (she's 21 now; I'd installed keylogging and screen capture software on her computer for her own safety, and told her it was there), I found out the guy's name, address, email address, where he worked (elementary school teacher, go figure), and his phone number. And I emailed him, told him I was the girl's father, shared what I knew about him, and told him that I was watching him. And it stopped, and he vanished from that forum as best I could tell.
I tracked down mkl654321. I'm not saying. It took about 3 hours. I tracked down tuttigym. It took about 20 minutes.
If you want privacy, stay off the internet. Completely. The only thing keeping someone from tracking you down is that most people don't care.
Exactly!!! I was just taken aback that within moments of my posting, an email arrived in my inbox asking me to take down my results. That seemed a bit eerie to me and my spidey senses tingled!
Quote: aceofspadesExactly!!! I was just taken aback that within moments of my posting, an email arrived in my inbox asking me to take down my results. That seemed a bit eerie to me and my spidey senses tingled!
Yep. Relax, it's just the internet. The same stuff happened 100 years ago with phone books, probably. No one cares enough to actually FIND you, no one ever does.
Quote: WizardWe absolutely do not share Email addresses or private information about anybody. I emphatically deny that we had anything to do with it, and resent the accusation.
Mike -
I do NOT think that Ace was accusing you or anyone at WoV of anything.
I kinda though he was looking for your reaction to his decision to leave the forum, like maybe he'd reconsider based upon your opinion of whether he's too paranoid or not.
Ace -
I've lead a fairly clean life, and have no real knowledge of what you have done that is causing you to freak out. Therefore I have no way of knowing if you're overreacting or not. However, something in my gut tells me that you ARE overreacting. Please reconsider. Stick around.
Quote: DJTeddyBearMike -
I do NOT think that Ace was accusing you or anyone at WoV of anything.
I kinda though he was looking for your reaction to his decision to leave the forum, like maybe he'd reconsider based upon your opinion of whether he's too paranoid or not.
Ace -
As someone who leads a fairly clean life, and has no real knowledge of what your done that is causing you to freak out, I have no way of knowing if you're overreacting or not. However, something in my gut tells me that you ARE overreacting. Please reconsider. Stick around.
Indeed I was asking the WIZARD's opinion. WIZARD - sorry for any confusion.
I do not even dabble in anything illegal or untoward. I jsut freak out when a privacy issues crops up and makes me say "WTF?!?"
Quote: aceofspadesI do not even dabble in anything...untoward.
And here I thought you were a card counter:-)
Seriously, stick around. We just scared the DBJT folks when we all took the test & scored highly at the same time. You happened to post your image right after they asked someone else where we were all from. It's just bad timing.
Quote: rdw4potusAnd here I thought you were a card counter:-)
Seriously, stick around. We just scared the DBJT folks when we all took the test & scored highly at the same time. You happened to post your image right after they asked someone else where we were all from. It's just bad timing.
I am leaning towards un-retiring before officially retiring - although I feel the WIZARD thinks I was trying to imply he had something to do with it when all I wanted was a {{{hug}}}
Quote: aceofspadesI am leaning towards un-retiring before officially retiring - although I feel the WIZARD thinks I was trying to imply he had something to do with it when all I wanted was a {{{hug}}}
AHA ! aceofspades is .............
Brett Favre
Quote: NickyDimIf there were only 20 that took it at that time a few or all around that time were emailed. They didn't want the answers published. You've done nothing wrong, stand tall, look around and stay with all these people who support you. I may be new here, so my opinion may not carry weight but I see no need to worry.
Thanks Nicky - I appreciate my "friends" on here asking me to stay - and I feel bad now that the WIZARD believes I was holding him responsible - WIZARD, where are you?
Quote: aceofspadesI am leaning towards un-retiring before officially retiring - although I feel the WIZARD thinks I was trying to imply he had something to do with it when all I wanted was a {{{hug}}}
You can't leave until we tighten up your game and you experience your first heat.:)
When I log on here I always look for your posts and they are frequently the first ones I read. STICK AROUND!
Quote: aceofspadesThanks Nicky - I appreciate my "friends" on here asking me to stay - and I feel bad now that the WIZARD believes I was holding him responsible - WIZARD, where are you?
No worries! Mike doesn't look at the threads as often as many of us do. As Mosca said, we are all way more 'findable' than you think! I can tell you really enjoy posting your escapades here, and we all love reading them! Many here are living vicariously through you.... Stayyyyyy.....
Quote: aceofspadesand I feel bad now that the WIZARD believes I was holding him responsible
Send him a PM, thats what they're for.
Stick around, we need to feel good that people actually DO win in the casino...
(except Dan, lol j.k)
Quote: aceofspadesWIZARD - I did not imply anything to that effect at all. I was wondering how that person figured out my screen name and email from the DBJT website - I emphatically state I do not think you or this wonderful site had anything to do with it.
Sorry; I misunderstood what you were saying. You're a good member and I hope you'll change your mind about leaving the site.
Quote: WizardSorry; I misunderstood what you were saying. You're a good member and I hope you'll change your mind about leaving the site.
Man hug!!!
Quote: rainmanI got invited someone here scored low and said they didnt.
That might have been me, i posted my score of 14/14,
but I mismarked two of the answers,
12/14.
8-/
Quote: NickyDimIf there were only 20 that took it at that time a few or all around that time were emailed. They didn't want the answers published. You've done nothing wrong, stand tall, look around and stay with all these people who support you. I may be new here, so my opinion may not carry weight but I see no need to worry.
Update: it was 20 when the sole scorer of tests did mine; the total for the day was actually 37.
Sorry; I misunderstood what you were saying. You're a good member and I hope you'll change your mind about leaving the site.
I misunderstood too and PM'd the Wiz. blame me, not him. And if you leave, I have people in AC who owe me a favor.
For the record, I wasn't implying that you did anything.Quote: DJTeddyBearI've lead a fairly clean life, and have no real knowledge of what you have done ...
I know there are at least two people here that are/were bookies. Maybe more. Many members take advantage of various situations that would cause Dan to go on another crusade.
I.E. It's hard to keep track.
Also, when you put BlackJack and Team together, it suggests any of a variety of highly questionable acts.
So with no knowledge of your own activities or what the Detroit BlackJack Team does, I may have made an implication based upon an incorrect assumption. Sorry about that.
I've lead a fairly clean life, and have no real knowledge of what you have done ...
I have it on good authority that you are spreading the evil message of Rock n Roll to innocent teenagers.
Quote: buzzpaff' Quote: Wizard
Sorry; I misunderstood what you were saying. You're a good member and I hope you'll change your mind about leaving the site.
I misunderstood too and PM'd the Wiz. blame me, not him. And if you leave, I have people in AC who owe me a favor.
Buzz - really? WOW!
winnings to me and evenbob. Why would you deny use the pleasure of following you actions against the house?
Gee, once a felon, always a felon ? Surely you can see i am a reformed man, can't you !
Quote: buzzpaffHey, mine was an innocent statement. I simply meant if you left, I would have to ask someone to track you down and report your
winnings to me and evenbob. Why would you deny use the pleasure of following you actions against the house?
Gee, once a felon, always a felon ? Surely you can see i am a reformed man, can't you !
Oh I misunderstood ( this thread is full of misunderstandings ) - I thought you PM'd the WIZ saying I was badmouthing this site LOL
