Not quite a Royal
One thing I noticed about the Super Times Pay pictures that struck me as odd is, on every machine I've ever played STP (admittedly, very limited) it displays the new amount of credits to be won for each result after displaying the multiplier and before selecting which cards to keep. For instance, a 3x multiplier would turn 4OaK 5's-K's from 250 to 750...are these older or newer machines that don't behave that way?
Quote: beachbumbabsDownstream Casino, OK (10 mi W of Joplin, MO)
Still never had a Royal, but these will do in the meantime.
Why no max bet? Play 5x5 if you don't want to bet more, imo. Unless you found a machine that paid 800 for 1 on the Royal regardless of line bet size. Spin poker at the 32 Degree Bar at M resort is like that.
Quote: 100xOddsand why stp over ultimate X?
Hot Roll/STP/DSTP doesn't need a strategy change, and when the multiplier hits it applies to all lines.
UX has the delightful feature where you can miss every multiplier if the "good" hand moves around. UX is the way to go if you're often dealt back to back to back fulls.
In fairness, hot roll/STP/DSTP can get a multiplier and whiff, too.
Quote: Mission146For instance, a 3x multiplier would turn 4OaK 5's-K's from 250 to 750...are these older or newer machines that don't behave that way?
In my experience, after the hand is paid, the payout table reverts to the unmultiplied base so as not to misadvertise for the bet about to be placed.
I remember the display multiplying and then resetting.
This way on STP, DSTP, Hot Roll. Big Times also, if I recall correctly.
I was asking if they ever changed in the first place, which they apparently did. I thought it might be like a few Keno games such as Caveman Keno where some machines show the credit win after the multiplier, but then Triple Power Keno just triples the win but doesn't display that on the paytable.
In the "not quite a royal" vein, I did hit a royal... playing penny deuces (a bad habit of mine, to relax). $40 for a royal makes it... well, not quite a royal. No photo on that one.
STP BP 3L 25c... quad 4's, x5 multiplier.
JoB 100L 5c (not playing the QQ option, since I don't know the strategy differences) - opted to take 100 flushes instead of a chance at a royal.
Just a few minutes later... drew a royal.
JoB 100L 5c (no QQ) - RF, hand 5.
Quote: DieterA few decent hits lately...
In the "not quite a royal" vein, I did hit a royal... playing penny deuces (a bad habit of mine, to relax). $40 for a royal makes it... well, not quite a royal. No photo on that one.
STP BP 3L 25c... quad 4's, x5 multiplier.
JoB 100L 5c (not playing the QQ option, since I don't know the strategy differences) - opted to take 100 flushes instead of a chance at a royal.
Just a few minutes later... drew a royal.
JoB 100L 5c (no QQ) - RF, hand 5.
Noooooooooooo!!!!
Def should've went for the 4 to a royal. Huge mistake.
Think of it this way. You have 1/47 chance to get a royal. With 100 shots you're expected to make about 2 royals. That's 8000 credits instead of 2500. And that's not even taking into account you make another flush again or a straight or a high pair.
Quote: rudeboyoi
Noooooooooooo!!!!
Def should've went for the 4 to a royal. Huge mistake.
Think of it this way. You have 1/47 chance to get a royal. With 100 shots you're expected to make about 2 royals. That's 8000 credits instead of 2500. And that's not even taking into account you make another flush again or a straight or a high pair.
This is why casinos can offer 100% machines. This picture should be removed, because it is embarrassing.
this is extremely bad. One royal pull would have given you 4000 credits.
At least the one payout showing is only showing a win of 1000.
You must have to play 6 coins to get a 4000 royal?
It paid 4000 for a RF; picture is fuzzy but total win is in line.Quote: rxwineOne note, that quik quad is only paying 1000 for RF not 4000 with 5 coins.
At least the one payout showing is only showing a win of 1000.
You must have to play 6 coins to get a 4000 royal?
Quote: LoquaciousMoFWIt paid 4000 for a RF; picture is fuzzy but total win is in line.
Guess, I have 'not quite' good eyesight!
First I saw it, thought it was a dealt royal. Then I saw the 9, and was like "Ah it's the ol straight flush 9-K...hate those!" Then I looked more and realized it was just a generic flush.....wtf??
Quote: RSYou should seriously remove that picture. It's embarrassing IMO.
First I saw it, thought it was a dealt royal. Then I saw the 9, and was like "Ah it's the ol straight flush 9-K...hate those!" Then I looked more and realized it was just a generic flush.....wtf??
Now that would have been a worthwhile tough decision. Sf 9-k or drop the 9. Not sure what I would do on that one.
Quote: GWAENow that would have been a worthwhile tough decision. Sf 9-k or drop the 9. Not sure what I would do on that one.
I am guessing the math easily says keep sf, but with the taxable that may change my decision.
Quote: GWAEI am guessing the math easily says keep sf, but with the taxable that may change my decision.
Did you just reply to yourself? But yeah, keep the SF.
If you can't hit taxables, you shouldn't be playing a game where you can hit a taxable.
Dumping a SF for a KQJTs is worth 93 credits. KEEP the straight flush!
I agree with RS. You'd have to be playing a $5 denom or above (lower for multi play) to hit a taxable, but then again if you were playing that high you were expecting a taxable. Even more so if you are playing a bonus/double game where regular BP 4 aces will give you a taxable, any 4oak and above on Double and DDB variants.
Quote: RSDid you just reply to yourself? But yeah, keep the SF.
If you can't hit taxables, you shouldn't be playing a game where you can hit a taxable.
Lol yes I did. I don't mind taxable but 1200ish taxable suck. I would end up with 850 after tax since I don't itemize.
Quote: djatcSF dealt is worth 250 credits (239 at some $5 machines to circumvent 1200 taxable)
Dumping a SF for a KQJTs is worth 93 credits. KEEP the straight flush!
I agree with RS. You'd have to be playing a $5 denom or above (lower for multi play) to hit a taxable, but then again if you were playing that high you were expecting a taxable. Even more so if you are playing a bonus/double game where regular BP 4 aces will give you a taxable, any 4oak and above on Double and DDB variants.
I was referring back to the 100 play dealt flush. There are only 2 ways to get a taxable on a 100 play nickel game. I meant if I were dealt a sf on 100 play I would be tempted to dump the 9.
Sick.Quote: DieterA few decent hits lately...
In the "not quite a royal" vein, I did hit a royal... playing penny deuces (a bad habit of mine, to relax). $40 for a royal makes it... well, not quite a royal. No photo on that one.
STP BP 3L 25c... quad 4's, x5 multiplier.
JoB 100L 5c (not playing the QQ option, since I don't know the strategy differences) - opted to take 100 flushes instead of a chance at a royal.
Just a few minutes later... drew a royal.
JoB 100L 5c (no QQ) - RF, hand 5.
just buy the hand out.Quote: tringlomaneI've talked a few people into breaking flushes with four to a royal, but none have hit yet. Many players are hesitant to go for it or even miss noticing that it's four to a royal. The machine obviously alerts you that it's a flush as well.
Quote: rudeboyoiQuote: Dieter
JoB 100L 5c (not playing the QQ option, since I don't know the strategy differences) - opted to take 100 flushes instead of a chance at a royal.
Noooooooooooo!!!!
Def should've went for the 4 to a royal. Huge mistake.
Think of it this way. You have 1/47 chance to get a royal. With 100 shots you're expected to make about 2 royals. That's 8000 credits instead of 2500. And that's not even taking into account you make another flush again or a straight or a high pair.
Yes, I looked it up after the fact, and it says 4 to a royal is theoretically worth more.
I have no problems throwing a pair for 4 to a royal. (Hit for me last week, on an STP machine with a multiplier.)
Buying a game for $25, winning $125, and being offered the chance to trade for $0 to $20k with what felt like about a $480 probability but extremely high variance (that's gut feel numbers, someone else can crunch it out exactly)... unfortunately, I don't feel bad for choosing the lower variance, lower EV option.
Had it been an 10-J-Q-K,x flush (two high paying outs), it might have been different.
I would have felt worse about throwing a flush and only making a sprinkling of low paying hands. Of course, if you see me playing like this, offer me 62 coins a hand for the buyout plus the credits on the meter* and I'm pretty sure we can come to an agreement where you play it off and I walk away.
* - that'd be $566.75 in this case - $256.75 on the meter, plus $310 for the hand in play.
Even if you only caught 1 royal (instead of the expected 2), you'd still have given up $131.
Your money your business, but I have a question why play VP if you're not going to play right? ESPECIALLY on a RF draw? Getting a RF, Isn't that the Idea of Video poker? Why play that high if the amount of a flush payoff is going to make you play bad. "I don't feel bad for choosing the lower variance, lower EV option." Why are you playing .05 100 play? perhaps lower variance but it's not low risk.Quote: DieterQuote: rudeboyoiQuote: Dieter
JoB 100L 5c (not playing the QQ option, since I don't know the strategy differences) - opted to take 100 flushes instead of a chance at a royal.
Noooooooooooo!!!!
Def should've went for the 4 to a royal. Huge mistake.
Think of it this way. You have 1/47 chance to get a royal. With 100 shots you're expected to make about 2 royals. That's 8000 credits instead of 2500. And that's not even taking into account you make another flush again or a straight or a high pair.
Yes, I looked it up after the fact, and it says 4 to a royal is theoretically worth more.
I have no problems throwing a pair for 4 to a royal. (Hit for me last week, on an STP machine with a multiplier.)
Buying a game for $25, winning $125, and being offered the chance to trade for $0 to $20k with what felt like about a $480 probability but extremely high variance (that's gut feel numbers, someone else can crunch it out exactly)... unfortunately, I don't feel bad for choosing the lower variance, lower EV option.
Had it been an 10-J-Q-K,x flush (two high paying outs), it might have been different.
I would have felt worse about throwing a flush and only making a sprinkling of low paying hands. Of course, if you see me playing like this, offer me 62 coins a hand for the buyout plus the credits on the meter* and I'm pretty sure we can come to an agreement where you play it off and I walk away.
* - that'd be $566.75 in this case - $256.75 on the meter, plus $310 for the hand in play.
I assumed people on this forum played VP because they have better odds while making decisions. You should just play slots or keno you may have a better chance.
Quote: RSYou gave up $331.9149 in EV by holding the flush instead of going for the royal flush.
Even if you only caught 1 royal (instead of the expected 2), you'd still have given up $131.
Are you offering to buy my unwanted high variance opportunities in the future?
Quote: DieterAre you offering to buy my unwanted high variance opportunities in the future?
I would have purchased this hand if I was with you, absolutely!!! Especially on 100-play!
And yes, I would love to buy your "high variance" plays in the future, assuming I get an edge from it and the variance isn't massive [and it's in person....or I get security in knowing you're not offering me a hand "after the fact" (idk if you'd do this or not, just saying)].
I know AxelWolf is interested in buying hands off of people (he's tried to buy my hand from me, before!).
Quote: AxelWolfYour money your business,
Thank you.
I've often expressed my preference for lower variance options vs theoretically higher RTP. I don't feel this play was out of line with that.
I'm not sure how I'll play it in the future - but I am at least considering the suggested play.
Quote: RSI would have purchased this hand if I was with you, absolutely!!! Especially on 100-play!
And yes, I would love to buy your "high variance" plays in the future, assuming I get an edge from it and the variance isn't massive [and it's in person....or I get security in knowing you're not offering me a hand "after the fact" (idk if you'd do this or not, just saying)].
I know AxelWolf is interested in buying hands off of people (he's tried to buy my hand from me, before!).
I'll keep that in mind.
No, I wouldn't sell a settled hand. In person, or video proof.
Quote: IbeatyouracesToday, I had 3 chances with 4 to a royal.
#1, Dealt flush, 4 ROY on triple play UTX with the last hand having a 2x. Bricked the first two and hit a pair of jacks on the 2x hand.
#2, 4 ROY on ten play STP BP, no multiplier. Needed the 10 of clubs. Only hit three flushes, no royals, straights or high pairs.
#3, Dealt straight with max bet on Spin Poker TDB. Needed the Queen of clubs. Bricked all 9 lines.
I haven't hit a four to a royal in ages. They've all been while holding 3 or 2.
Read #1
I have bought many hands over the years.Quote: RSI would have purchased this hand if I was with you, absolutely!!! Especially on 100-play!
And yes, I would love to buy your "high variance" plays in the future, assuming I get an edge from it and the variance isn't massive [and it's in person....or I get security in knowing you're not offering me a hand "after the fact" (idk if you'd do this or not, just saying)].
I know AxelWolf is interested in buying hands off of people (he's tried to buy my hand from me, before!).
My fist good buy in the early 90's . @ LVC I bought a dealt flush with a 4 card RF on FPJW for 25 coins.
And many more after. The best are accidental Double ups. I have given people money for VP/slot progressive seats(up to 1k), must hits, cherry pie slots. I'v bought freeplay, watches, gold, jewelry. I even bought a taser for $5 once. I have even sold seats for thousands.
When Djatc first got to town, I really encouraged him to play the FPJW with double Royals @LVC (close to 4% with everything, he eventually crushed that promotion silly).
He came downtown to LVC one evening while me and my GF were playing. I was still Royal-less at that point. I always played the same machine, because it was the fastest there, and it had sound(I hate silent machines). It was also one of the few that locked up on 5oak. They were coin droppers and Dealing with 1k quarters is a pain in the ass, so a HP is worth a $5 tip, IMO
Anyways, all the machines were taken, so I let him have my machine. A few hands later as he's playing a 4 to a spade RF come rolling in. I was going to buy in for half of the one card draw at the fair amount. I was 1 second away from doing it, but I though NVM it's to complicated with the FP, calculating tips etc etc. No deal. Sure enough he pops it for 2k including double. Talk about beginners luck, he went on an incredibly multiple 5k to 20k short series of royal cycles after that. More than 7 I think, but someone will have to ask him.
That promotion started approximately around the same time The Revel 100k LR and it lasted for approximately 7 months give or take a few.
Then why play this in the first place? It's full of Variance and risk just play Video BJ or something.Quote: DieterThank you.
I've often expressed my preference for lower variance options vs theoretically higher RTP. I don't feel this play was out of line with that.
I'm not sure how I'll play it in the future - but I am at least considering the suggested play.
Were going to start calling you Rob singer JR and send you over to Alan's dice camp.
I hate breaking up the flush in single line the same way I hate splitting 8's against a 10/A or buying insurance on a weak hand when called for but do it anyways. I completely understand and sometimes choose lower variance with a minor difference with something like playing 9/6 Jacks over 9/6 Bonus Deluxe, but giving up that much EV is more analogous to playing $5 6/5 blackjack instead of $10 3:2.
Quote: RSThere's a specific machine in a certain casino....every time I've played it, I've hit at least one royal. My record is 3 royals in a night. The MOST I've ever played it was about 20,000 hands (10 hands at a time) in one day. Usually play significantly less (5-10k hands). I've only got 4 or 5 sessions on this puppy, all with a royal. :)
Nice record. Hard to believe you didn't just move in next door and enjoy the full benefits! :)
First off, had 20 4 to a Royal draws that I decided to pass on because I didn't want to see a stupid, worthless Royal since I have been waiting over 2.5 years for one in the casino.
Later on...here comes my punishment for not drawing at the 4 to a Royals, or so I thought. Aces with kicker from a pair of Aces at TDB.
What I would have won playing quarters...would just match my biggest one day casino win...no big deal right?
Another session, more punishment, a perfect pull...since the "peek" card is blocking me.
Why didn't I give up now??? Nope a glutton for punishment.
Have a below average session for 90 hands and see this...OH NO...
I HIT the target hand for the contest. The peek card will give me AWAK for all ten hands!!! Problem is, my score is crappy enough I need more than this to get anything! :'(
The rest of my hands basically brick out and I'm about 2000 points from the top 10 (required to get ANYTHING). Currently 36th for the week and 5th best for today only (which doesn't matter).
If I would have been a degenerate and betting $17.50 per round...fml.
Since I'm a masochist. I play one more session.
Another dealt quad, not the one that matters though...
Now I made 4 quads out of 10!! Oh just a 1 in 1786 pull...
And hell, let's get 3 more quad 7s!!! A much more pedestrian 1 in 135.5, but c'mon!
And two more quads when the "peek" card blocks the draw...1 in 55
My result for the very next round:
If I could take THAT score and add-in my dealt AWAK...I'd be in the lead for the weekly contest with 3 hours left and would get $150 cash to soften the blow of a dealt AWAK on TDB. But instead, I'm going to get jack squat! Why did this game have to be intriguing enough for me to want to play these dang contests again??? This past week is the first time I've played one of these in a few months probably, maybe all year. I feel like this is the story of my life. :(
I almost want to E-Mail them and say, "No, if I was playing for quarters in a real casino, I'd have been busted out of my session bankroll before I even got to my 50th hand and the 4A'sw/Kicker would have been moot."
Quote: Mission146Like ten-play UX...
I almost want to E-Mail them and say, "No, if I was playing for quarters in a real casino, I'd have been busted out of my session bankroll before I even got to my 50th hand and the 4A'sw/Kicker would have been moot."
Yeah, no way I would have played this for quarters. Nickels maybe since this game is near 100% on videopoker.com...but that's pushing it too without some other incentive.
Update: I got 5000 player points for my top 100 finish! That's worth about 6 cents! I also learned my g/f scratched up and caused a small dent in her car...the estimate was $1300!
Quote: tringlomane
Update: I got 5000 player points for my top 100 finish! That's worth about 6 cents! I also learned my g/f scratched up and caused a small dent in her car...the estimate was $1300!
UGH! You have to hate those, to report to insurance or not to report to insurance, that is the question. You figure, with full coverage, you have to pay the deductible, so you try to weigh the adjusted amount of the repair against an (unknown, but inevitable) increase to premiums over the seven years the accident will count against her...and...
Heck if I know the answer. I opted not to report the only wound I inflicted on a vehicle with no other driver involved as it was not mechanical in nature.
Quote: Mission146UGH! You have to hate those, to report to insurance or not to report to insurance, that is the question. You figure, with full coverage, you have to pay the deductible, so you try to weigh the adjusted amount of the repair against an (unknown, but inevitable) increase to premiums over the seven years the accident will count against her...and...
Heck if I know the answer. I opted not to report the only wound I inflicted on a vehicle with no other driver involved as it was not mechanical in nature.
She's already decided no. I'm just questioning if that estimate is too high slash I don't want to ever damage my car ever again.
Quote: tringlomaneShe's already decided no. I'm just questioning if that estimate is too high slash I don't want to ever damage my car ever again.
how about don't fix it?
or tell the insurance you was parked in a parking lot doing some shopping. when u came out, you saw that.
if they believe you, it'll be covered under comprehensive and not collision. no rate increase, no strike against you.
and it's her car right, not yours?
Quote: GWAEShould have waited 2 more seconds before hitting draw.
:P
That sucks.
I had a miniature version of that at the Quad (now Linq) Feb. 2014 with the same hand. Also that night, the mix game I wanted to play in failed to form. Bah. But I actually did profit on the hand. If I would have hit though, easily would have been my biggest win off freeplay ever.
