Djatc ' s big hands, big...whatever
June 20th, 2013 at 11:35:57 PM
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I only seem to hit royals when I am stuck a significant amount..... anyway I'm still at Sam's Town banging away on the machines. I lost a bit on the Palms bingo drawing (5 play 25c, quite a monster) and came back here to lick my wounds and put time in on the trusty FPDW. Got this dealt (my first one!) and was pushing the draw hand so I didn't get to savor the sound of the credit building up, but it might have been a good idea as some guy next to me was salty about me hitting it.
It's hard to beat the seniors on this machine in the morning, so I usually go play somewhere else then come back in the afternoon when it's empty.
It's hard to beat the seniors on this machine in the morning, so I usually go play somewhere else then come back in the afternoon when it's empty.
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June 21st, 2013 at 12:43:54 AM
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Congratulations!
June 21st, 2013 at 3:53:46 AM
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Nice hit!
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June 21st, 2013 at 4:43:21 AM
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Very Nice!
I hit 4 Deuces on those machines during my visit last month.
The locals beat those machines up.
I hit 4 Deuces on those machines during my visit last month.
The locals beat those machines up.
I don't know everything but I know a lot.
June 21st, 2013 at 5:01:08 AM
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Nice sig!
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June 21st, 2013 at 7:25:14 AM
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I have dealth one dealt royal in my lifetime and it unfortunately was on level 1 of a $.80 (40 x .02) multi-strike machine. Still, $800 was cool. $6,400 would have been much much better.
Still, a Royal is a Royal. I did manage to hit one in January of this year on the 4x level for 64,000 nickels. That was my last royal.
Still, a Royal is a Royal. I did manage to hit one in January of this year on the 4x level for 64,000 nickels. That was my last royal.
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June 21st, 2013 at 7:59:28 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
June 21st, 2013 at 8:08:10 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesAwesome and welcome to the club.
+1
I hit mine 16 months ago, and I finally noticed someone else in the casino hitting one on Wednesday. Definitely don't come often. And I would have made the grumpy old man listen to the noise. It was dealt, ffs!
June 21st, 2013 at 8:55:19 AM
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May I add a small, shameful secret?
Ok, then. I've hit one royal in my life, and it was at a nickel machine (the Loose Deuces at the Ditz). The secret is I hit it because I missremembered the Wizard's simple strategy. I held, if memory serves, a suited king and ace. But if that was the wrong play, I should get it wrong more often. I did ot mind the $200 payout at all :P
Ok, then. I've hit one royal in my life, and it was at a nickel machine (the Loose Deuces at the Ditz). The secret is I hit it because I missremembered the Wizard's simple strategy. I held, if memory serves, a suited king and ace. But if that was the wrong play, I should get it wrong more often. I did ot mind the $200 payout at all :P
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June 21st, 2013 at 9:40:44 AM
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Quote: NareedBut if that was the wrong play, I should get it wrong more often. I did ot mind the $200 payout at all :P
And little things like this is why casinos have offered things like near or above 100%+ VP for years. Many players will go for the Royal unless it's clearly incorrect. And 2 to a Royal Ace high it's definitely not clearly incorrect in deuces, imo. FWIW, that play costs you less than a penny to make per occurrence on that machine as AK suited is the next best play. The most common unclear incorrect play I see is players is breaking two pair with a high pair in DB, DDB, and TDB. More incorrectly break it than actually hold both pairs because 250 credits is significant to them, but 35 to 50 credits isn't. The error costs with that are much more severe too.
I'm happy your penny error won you $200 though! :)
June 21st, 2013 at 9:48:57 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
June 21st, 2013 at 10:22:50 AM
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Happened twice with me, but I have seen so many more get it. For something that happens once in 629,740 hands I have seen plenty in my life. And that makes me wonder if I spend too much time in casinos.
But I have to tell you about the biggest wasted dealt royal I have ever seen...
Happened at Rincon about three years ago. Elderly couple at a 100 play machine, multi denomination, they were playing ONE LINE for ONE CENT and got a dealt royal.
But I have to tell you about the biggest wasted dealt royal I have ever seen...
Happened at Rincon about three years ago. Elderly couple at a 100 play machine, multi denomination, they were playing ONE LINE for ONE CENT and got a dealt royal.
June 21st, 2013 at 10:48:36 AM
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June 21st, 2013 at 11:12:49 AM
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Quote: tringlomaneAnd little things like this is why casinos have offered things like near or above 100%+ VP for years. Many players will go for the Royal unless it's clearly incorrect. And 2 to a Royal Ace high it's definitely not clearly incorrect in deuces, imo.
The Wizard's simple strategy says to hold 2 to a royal J,Q high, if I remember correctly. I misremembered it into "2 to a royal."
Quote:FWIW, that play costs you less than a penny to make per occurrence on that machine as AK suited is the next best play.
I don't get deep into the math because I can't. But I was playing a bit agressively in that machine because all I'd lose most hands was 25 cents. So I'd once in a while dump 3 of a kind to go for a stright flush, or dump a straight to go for a straight flush, things like that. IN the latter, though, many times I got a simple flush, which pays as much as a straight.
Read my trip recent report. I was tempted to dump a dealt wild royal in a triple play machine. In the end I kept it because my intuitive understanding of poker was that I would most likely lose. Besides, that was risking $18+, not $0.25 Granted $18 is not much, but it's not nothing either. That was almost my daily expenses for meals, or almost one 3-day all access bus pass. $0.25 in contrast is just loose change.
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June 21st, 2013 at 11:17:01 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonHappened at Rincon about three years ago. Elderly couple at a 100 play machine, multi denomination, they were playing ONE LINE for ONE CENT and got a dealt royal.
Ouch. It's rare to even see anyone play a single penny on these machines; I'm not sure if I watched anyone consistently do it. Once at Flamingo, which is where I hit a dealt royal on a 100-play, I sat next to a girl in her 20s that was playing one line, but I still want to say she was still betting 5 credits. I wasn't much better, only betting 36 cents for my dealt royal ($240). :(
And Aces is right 4/2,598,960 = 1 in 649,740. I don't think I have played that many rounds of VP in the casino yet personally in my life, but I really don't keep count either.
June 21st, 2013 at 11:23:46 AM
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Quote: Ibeatyouraces1 in 649,740.
Damn!! that's why Im not getting more of them!!!
(LOL, my typo.)
tringlomane... I see people playing the 50 line and 100 line games all the time for a penny or just a nickel at Rincon because thats the only way to play VP at Rincon at a penny or a nickel. There are no other "super low" denomination machines.
In fact, so many people complained, that they moved some of the 50 line and 100 line games into the high limit area, to keep the "one penny, one line players" off of them.
June 21st, 2013 at 11:25:01 AM
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Quote: NareedThe Wizard's simple strategy says to hold 2 to a royal J,Q high, if I remember correctly. I misremembered it into "2 to a royal."
I don't get deep into the math because I can't.
Easy enough to do I think. And without JB's hand analyzer/strategy maker I couldn't get too deep into the math either...lol
June 21st, 2013 at 2:11:13 PM
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Thanks guys. I really wanted it on the bingo square for the Palms 5 play ($6.25 a pop!) but this is nice too.
Before that I hit 2 4 deuces and used that to parlay the 5 play but I just could not fill the straight flush squares and the obvious royal. I did hit my fair share of 4oak but still the freeplay wasn't much, like $30.
Before that I hit 2 4 deuces and used that to parlay the 5 play but I just could not fill the straight flush squares and the obvious royal. I did hit my fair share of 4oak but still the freeplay wasn't much, like $30.
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June 21st, 2013 at 3:51:07 PM
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did the machine auto-hold auto-win when you got dealt the royal? or did you have to hold the cards yourself?
June 21st, 2013 at 4:02:15 PM
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I'd assume auto-hold. That's what it did for me, but the unit I won it on was less than 1-year-old at the time too...haha
June 21st, 2013 at 6:35:46 PM
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ive only got dealt one jackpot before and it was on winning streak poker. and it auto-held auto-won. i was wondering how common this is.
June 21st, 2013 at 6:45:29 PM
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Quote: rudeboyoiive only got dealt one jackpot before and it was on winning streak poker. and it auto-held auto-won. i was wondering how common this is.
What happens there? does it move up the streak and then pay you off? I hope you had 3 tiny winners that followed the jackpot hand:-)
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June 21st, 2013 at 6:50:08 PM
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When I hit 4 Dueces, the normal Double feature was Prominently displayed in the middle of the screen "DOUBLE??" so you presumably don't accidentally double the jackpot if you don't want to (though the actual method of doubling, the two options at the bottom of the screen were the same). Was that the same for the Royal, or was there no Double Up option?
June 21st, 2013 at 6:50:41 PM
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Quote: rdw4potusWhat happens there? does it move up the streak and then pay you off? I hope you had 3 tiny winners that followed the jackpot hand:-)
it was the first hand of the streak and i didnt win any further hands in a row to move it up any.
June 21st, 2013 at 8:49:13 PM
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It autoholds. Ive never gotten a dealt so i was pleasantly suprised.
Also received 4 deuces yesterday. This makes 3 4 deuces this week.
Also received 4 deuces yesterday. This makes 3 4 deuces this week.
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
June 22nd, 2013 at 1:37:24 PM
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On the fifty play it was also a auto hold and the screen put on a light show with banners and streaks and blasts of color and finally all fifty lines from the bottom up changed color. But it happened so fast I didnt realize that a royal was dealt and thought that the "light show" was a malfunction. it wasn't until I saw all 50 lines turn purple (the color for the royal) that I realized what had happened. Then when all the lines are purple the word jackpot and then call attendant appear.
I told this story before... when it happened I was so shocked I picked myself up and walked over to one of the big brass trash cans at the end of the row of machines and threw up.
I told this story before... when it happened I was so shocked I picked myself up and walked over to one of the big brass trash cans at the end of the row of machines and threw up.
June 22nd, 2013 at 5:34:25 PM
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I got a good one. wife and I go to Green Valley ranch to check it out. My gambling strategy was three hundred per day, pocketing wins here and there so I would take some of my money home. When I lose all of my original stash I'm done for the day. It works for me. Anyway, it was our last night in Vegas and I had been a little conservative with my gambling money so I had like six hundred or so. Now up till that point I had never played over a quarter machine but figured I'd go for it on a five play DW for a buck. Well wouldn't you know I got kinda lucky with a dealt royal for twenty G's. I looked at the machine and called out to my wife who was in another row "honey I just won four grand... no TWENTY grand" I too was afraid to even touch the machine but after a little bit it held the cards for me. It's cool because I like gambling but am not a big gambler. I've only played maybe twenty-thirty thousand hands of VP in my life. It was kind of strange though because they came out and got my info then about twenty minutes later came back handed me two hundred hundies didn't say congrats or anything. Ive never had an offer or any contact with them since. I would think they would try to get you to stay and lose it back sometime but nothing. Maybe I should have got a players card after all.
June 27th, 2013 at 9:45:06 AM
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This took me 9 hours of pushing buttons, before that came 3 4 deuces. Had to withdraw money to make this happen. I hate ATM fees.
Now VP is starting to make sense; you play as perfect as you can and the numbers will work itself out if you're playing a positive game. Went through a ton of 3 to a royals before this came. I was thinking in my head spade royal for some reason. It was the next thing I was going to ask the cocktail waitress at the Palms if they asked if I needed anything. Notice I spent my points as well. It was something like $18 or so.
Now VP is starting to make sense; you play as perfect as you can and the numbers will work itself out if you're playing a positive game. Went through a ton of 3 to a royals before this came. I was thinking in my head spade royal for some reason. It was the next thing I was going to ask the cocktail waitress at the Palms if they asked if I needed anything. Notice I spent my points as well. It was something like $18 or so.
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June 27th, 2013 at 10:01:04 AM
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I'm glad it paid off, but try not to do those ATM fees in the future! You have a 100% chance of losing however much they are, which can negate your +EV on a game in a real hurry!
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June 27th, 2013 at 10:08:25 AM
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Quote: Mission146I'm glad it paid off, but try not to do those ATM fees in the future! You have a 100% chance of losing however much they are, which can negate your +EV on a game in a real hurry!
Ditto.
Also, you should never borrow money in order to gamble.
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June 27th, 2013 at 10:13:50 AM
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Quote: NareedDitto.
Also, you should never borrow money in order to gamble.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming it was his Debit Card.
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June 27th, 2013 at 10:40:18 AM
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Quote: Mission146I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming it was his Debit Card.
Yup sorry it was confusing. Still the juice is pretty high. My money's in a local credit union from back home and I can't access it easily unless I use an ATM. I am setting up a transfer to Chase so I can go to the bank when I need to. I wonder how big players carry all that money. It's a hassle carrying around anything more then a grand.
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June 27th, 2013 at 10:42:00 AM
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Quote: Mission146I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming it was his Debit Card.
A distinct point.
I still steer way clear of ATMs and use my credit cards reluctantly.
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June 27th, 2013 at 11:38:43 AM
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Quote: djatcYup sorry it was confusing. Still the juice is pretty high. My money's in a local credit union from back home and I can't access it easily unless I use an ATM. I am setting up a transfer to Chase so I can go to the bank when I need to. I wonder how big players carry all that money. It's a hassle carrying around anything more then a grand.
There are a number of cheaper options than using your Debit Card, and you may wish to call the casino(s) you intend to visit to determine specific information as to what they are.
For example, I initially called the Silverton because it was the first Vegas casino that came to mind, but their agents were busy for too long, so I called the Venetian/Palazzo instead, and asked to be transferred to the cage at the Venetian.
1.) You may cash personal checks at their cage with no fee whatsoever, they will simply run the account through their system, make sure you can cover the amount, and will need a valid State ID.
2.) The Venetian will also cash Traveler's Checks, (which cost, but cheaper than ATM fees, I believe) and the Venetian will provide this service for free, but there is a limit of $1,000 per day.
3.) The Venetian WILL NOT cash a Cashier's Check from your bank, though I imagine there may be places that would.
So, never eat those stupid ATM fees, just figure out what your options are!
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June 27th, 2013 at 11:48:09 AM
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Quote: Mission146
1.) You may cash personal checks at their cage with no fee whatsoever, they will simply run the account through their system, make sure you can cover the amount, and will need a valid State ID.
3.) The Venetian WILL NOT cash a Cashier's Check from your bank, though I imagine there may be places that would.
Wow. That's something that could only ever make sense to a casino.
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June 27th, 2013 at 12:05:35 PM
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In Mexico you can withdraw money from most debit cards at Wal Mart, if you pay for any purchase with one. Not large amounts, but it's without any fees. I think some sotres offer this kind of service in the US, too, called "cash back" or something along that line.
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June 27th, 2013 at 12:35:17 PM
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Also at most banks you can do a "cash advance" and there is no fee for that, even if it is not your bank. However your bank may charge to do this, it is rare, but possible. The bank justs runs your visa/mc debit card and you sign for it like a purchase.
June 27th, 2013 at 1:26:16 PM
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Quote: djatcI wonder how big players carry all that money. It's a hassle carrying around anything more then a grand.
Big players and even small players who don't want to pay ATM fees have credit lines. My credit line is $5,000 which is enough for me for Vegas. I usually arrive in Vegas with about 60-dollars in cash, enough for a drive-thru at Jack N The Box at Baker plus a soda or two if needed.
Why people carry cash to Vegas has always amazed me... if they are regulars.
My first credit line was for $2500.
June 27th, 2013 at 1:58:03 PM
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Yes, you need to discover the benefits of free casino check-cashing, my friend. It doesn't get much better than that. I assume you have paper checks?
I've found that $5,000 is the most I'm able to carry around comfortably. (Don't tell anyone!)
I've found that $5,000 is the most I'm able to carry around comfortably. (Don't tell anyone!)
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June 27th, 2013 at 2:11:16 PM
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Quote: Mission146
So, never eat those stupid ATM fees, just figure out what your options are!
El Cortez has or had an ATM promotion where they geve you back 5% of your atm withdrawl in free play, maximum amount $50 per month ($1000 ATM withdrawl).
No requirement that you had to play any amount or anything, just a flat 5% of ATM withdrawl from their machine. Now their ATM did have a $3.50 charge, but I was willing to eat that. :)
I have actually taken a little break from playing and haven't even been downtown in the last month, so I can't say for sure that this promo is still going.
June 27th, 2013 at 2:20:24 PM
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Quote: kewljEl Cortez has or had an ATM promotion where they geve you back 5% of your atm withdrawl in free play, maximum amount $50 per month ($1000 ATM withdrawl).
No requirement that you had to play any amount or anything, just a flat 5% of ATM withdrawl from their machine. Now their ATM did have a $3.50 charge, but I was willing to eat that. :)
I have actually taken a little break from playing and haven't even been downtown in the last month, so I can't say for sure that this promo is still going.
Yes, you would want to go ahead and pay THAT ATM fee...lol
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June 27th, 2013 at 4:25:17 PM
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Quote: NareedIn Mexico you can withdraw money from most debit cards at Wal Mart, if you pay for any purchase with one. Not large amounts, but it's without any fees. I think some sotres offer this kind of service in the US, too, called "cash back" or something along that line.
Yes, virtually every US Wal-Mart will allow you to get up to $100 cash back as well as many grocery stores. But these options are often inconvenient from strip and downtown casinos, unfortunately. And if I was grinding quarter FPDW like djatc is, I am sadly probably going to multiple cashiers to buy candy bars or Tic Tacs, etc.
Nice hit djatc! Tired of trying to grind VP yet? lol (I'm not sure I could do it.)
June 27th, 2013 at 4:44:17 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneYes, virtually every US Wal-Mart will allow you to get up to $100 cash back as well as many grocery stores. But these options are often inconvenient from strip and downtown casinos, unfortunately.
Virtually every US Walgreens allows cash back from debit cards as well. I haven't tried it, but I wonder if that's possible at their strip and downtown locations.
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June 27th, 2013 at 4:49:08 PM
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Quote: rdw4potusVirtually every US Walgreens allows cash back from debit cards as well. I haven't tried it, but I wonder if that's possible at their strip and downtown locations.
Probably, but Walgreens cashback cap is usually $20 or $40, iirc, so it's even more of a pain if you need a lot of cash. Hell, the strip locations might even forbid it since it could be abused and then cashiers will be debit heavy and cash poor. But I really dunno since I haven't tried myself in Vegas either.
June 27th, 2013 at 4:53:23 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneYes, virtually every US Wal-Mart will allow you to get up to $100 cash back as well as many grocery stores. But these options are often inconvenient from strip and downtown casinos, unfortunately. And if I was grinding quarter FPDW like djatc is, I am sadly probably going to multiple cashiers to buy candy bars or Tic Tacs, etc.
Nice hit djatc! Tired of trying to grind VP yet? lol (I'm not sure I could do it.)
It's been a fun ride, and I'm used to grinding the same thing over and over (I used to play tons of video games, RPGS mostly) so it's all good. Also the fact I get paid for it beats playing the auction house on WOW.
I tried casino credit but the problem is I don't have steady employment and got denied once so I figured I needed a job. My income comes from many places and it would make things more difficult then it is.
Going back to grinding VP, as long as I know the bankroll requirements for a low ROR, and am comfortable with the game I'm playing where I check strategy only 1 out of 500-1000 hands I am sure the royal is on the way without getting too depressed. It does suck to be down an amount of the royal when you're waiting. If you can handle variance and trust the numbers you'll be a great gambler.
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July 3rd, 2013 at 5:03:06 AM
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This one cost me way too much... Probably spent $1000 trying to hit it, so it's a wash. Still it was a throwaway royal, which was pleasantly surprising.
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July 3rd, 2013 at 1:32:18 PM
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Almost sequential too. Wow. I really don't ever expect to get a throwaway royal. It's over 5 times as rare as a dealt Royal.
July 3rd, 2013 at 1:43:48 PM
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So you have not only got a dealt royal, now you have also gotten a re-drawn royal?
Quite a lucky guy.
Quite a lucky guy.
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July 3rd, 2013 at 5:24:04 PM
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I thought the chances of being dealt a royal increase after the initial five dealt cards are discarded?
July 3rd, 2013 at 5:27:46 PM
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