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MrCasinoGames
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July 16th, 2011 at 6:08:08 AM permalink
Do you think Roulette Tracking with a computer works?

How does roulette tracking with a computer works? Any ideas.

I believe, Roulette tracking is basically using a computer to track the speed of the roulette combined with the roulette ball speed at a certain starting point.
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July 16th, 2011 at 6:35:14 AM permalink
Do you mean that tracking can improve on just random guess or that it can beat the house edge of 5.26 %?
Those are two very different questions, I believe.
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July 16th, 2011 at 6:37:30 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

Do you mean that tracking can improve on just random guess or that it can beat the house edge of 5.26 %?
Those are two very different questions, I believe.


I mean, tracking can beat the house edge of 5.26 %?
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July 16th, 2011 at 7:05:05 AM permalink
... using a computer to track the speed of the roulette wheel combined with the speed of the ball with reference to a designated point.

I think its primarily velocity not speed that is critical.
Also I think that even if such calculations reliably predict the exact winning number, any use of this information would have to be under the guise of Octet Betting or else heat would be swift and certain. So built in losses are inherent.

The data has to be captured, it has to be analyzed and it has to be communicated and then acted upon. Not likely to be happening and certainly the motion involved in excited play at a roulette wheel would interfere with data collection.

Not likely to get done, if done its not likely to get done fast enough and certainly not smoothly enough to avoid prompt detection.
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July 16th, 2011 at 7:18:54 AM permalink
The classical explanation of tracking at roulette, from what I know of actual experiments and research, is that the computer can predict in which section of the wheel the ball will land. The wheel is divided into 8 sections, or octants.

So what you do is bet the numbers on the octant the system predict and you'll supposedly win more often than you lose.

Again, as with dice setting/control, the idea sounds sensible, but I'd like to test it in practice.
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MathExtremist
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July 16th, 2011 at 10:04:29 AM permalink
This has already been done.

Read Eudaimonic Pie by Thomas Bass, the story of the Santa Cruz computer scientists who built the roulette shoe computer in the late 1970s. See the Wikipedia article for the brief history, but the summary is this:

With the computer, they were playing roulette with a +44% EV.
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July 16th, 2011 at 10:27:55 AM permalink
Their shoe computer with eyeglass readout seemed okay then but it was slow and drew heat fairly promptly. Now... I think the heat would be virtually instantaneous. I think the professors from a different school made a good deal of money and made it quietly but kept quiet about it too.
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July 16th, 2011 at 10:42:02 AM permalink
It wasn't an eyeglass readout, it was a solenoid that buzzed with specific patterns. The solenoid was miswired, though, and caused a pretty bad burn.
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July 16th, 2011 at 10:48:29 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

It wasn't an eyeglass readout, it was a solenoid that buzzed with specific patterns. The solenoid was miswired, though, and caused a pretty bad burn.



How is someone able to come up with the maths, the electronics and hardware required to beat roulette. Then mis-wire a solenoid?

Its like robbing a bank, but locking yourself in.
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
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July 16th, 2011 at 10:57:30 AM permalink
What I recall is they didn't take into account the human factor -- that the solenoid would be next to a sweaty, nervous human body. Sweat is a great conductor and I think it shorted.
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